Jon Kent Superboy Appreciation 2021

[Alpha]

Ok thanks. I don't quite see how Jon's postitions were clear in Superman of Metropolis. I mean yeah he opposed the military, but it's not like conservatives haven't done that too in situations as dramatic as those Jon was facing.

Anyway, I think Clark's worldview is a lot more complex than just "conservative". I think he wants to empower the individual so he can have control over his own life, but I think he sees a lot of nuance in that, and has no particular barrier as to how much he himself, or the government, should participate in the "empowering" part. I think he would be pro choice, but he would also be used to traditional family values and would have a certain bias towards perpetuating them. Ironically he would marry one of the least traditional women there is, and love that about her.

You've kind of bended my view on Jon to the point where I can accept that he would be more individualistic, and yet less inclined to those traditional family values Clark probably aspires to.

[manwhohaseverything]

Ok thanks. I don't quite see how Jon's postitions were clear in Superman of Metropolis. I mean yeah he opposed the military, but it's not like conservatives haven't done that too in situations as dramatic as those Jon was facing.

Anyway, I think Clark's worldview is a lot more complex than just "conservative". I think he wants to empower the individual so he can have control over his own life, but I think he sees a lot of nuance in that, and has no particular barrier as to how much he himself, or the government, should participate in the "empowering" part. I think he would be pro choice, but he would also be used to traditional family values and would have a certain bias towards perpetuating them. Ironically he would marry one of the least traditional women there is, and love that about her.

You've kind of bended my view on Jon to the point where I can accept that he would be more individualistic, and yet less inclined to those traditional family values Clark probably aspires to.

Clark is more of a centerist more than usual.but,overall he is shoved into conservative category due to lacking radical tendencies by Frank miller and many writers like byrne.from what i have understood @korath is of the same view.They view it as a bad thing as well. Generally superman is the middle man authority figure.Usually,conservatives are seen as pro-military and police as well.It doesn't help that all christ imagery would be viewed through the prism of bible thumping republican authority figure image.

as for jon , if he is anything like luffy and goldenage superman.The story does take that route.Then story would be left leaning in perspective .Make no doubt about it.that superman was a proletariat hero originally in the depression era.He took that from zorro.but,clark was more impactful. Cause he was working class.he was one of the people with nothing.Unlike the billionaire socialist and communist.His choices were based on the ground situation of the people.He was bibbo,essentially.He just wants his people(what he identifies with) to have good life,overall.

[Alpha]

Why would Jon identify with the people? Clark at least lived like one of them for decades. Jon was still a kid when the world found out he was Superman's son. He has no idea what it's like to be in the shoes of a normal person, with the hardship of being unemployed on the hunt for a job and having to pay bills.

As far as him being left leaning, I don't know what you mean by that. Trump was still co sidered a populist with the way he spoke about the problems of the lower class, but he was completely right leaning. Fighting for the working man can be either political side. (And to be clear I'm a social democrat)

[manwhohaseverything]

Why would Jon identify with the people? Clark at least lived like one of them for decades. Jon was still a kid when the world found out he was Superman's son. He has no idea what it's like to be in the shoes of a normal person, with the hardship of being unemployed on the hunt for a job and having to pay bills.

As far as him being left leaning, I don't know what you mean by that. Trump was still co sidered a populist with the way he spoke about the problems of the lower class, but he was completely right leaning. Fighting for the working man can be either political side. (And to be clear I'm a social democrat)

Jon was raised on a farm as a farmer on a county made up by illegal alien refugees on the run and was hiding himself.He lived inside a volcano with a tyrant father, broke free of his chains and burst out into a corrupt world.United the world in hope for the future.He then completed his education with a bunch of aliens.No,he was a teen when everyone found out he was son of superman. As for not knowing the hardship of paying bills.We will see what these guys do.

I think I forsaw that you would mistake what i said for populism.ehh!populism is giving into everything the majority wants and catering to them.Clark doesn't mind pissing of people.As said,clark is an idealist.Clark is about ideals such as truth and justice.People can want what they want .Clark is gonna do what he thinks is right and just.He wants his people to have good life cause it's the right thing to strive for.(My leaning is that of dude who doesn't give a damn about labels anymore and don't know.left leaning in the sense that equality and individual liberty is given importance).One of clark's villains where an archer(A bad guy version of robin hood and green arrow ).Clark wouldn't mind stealing from the rich and giving to the poor.But it has to be justice and without self interest.Otherwise, you aren't really having the best interest of the people in mind.

[Alpha]

Jon was raised on a farm as a farmer on a county made up by illegal alien refugees on the run and was hiding himself.He lived inside a volcano with a tyrant father, broke free of his chains and burst out into a corrupt world.United the world in hope for the future.He then completed his education with a bunch of aliens.No,he was a teen when everyone found out he was son of superman. As for not knowing the hardship of paying bills.We will see what these guys do.

I think I forsaw that you would mistake what i said for populism.ehh!populism is giving into everything the majority wants and catering to them.Clark doesn't mind pissing of people.As said,clark is an idealist.Clark is about ideals such as truth and justice.People can want what they want .Clark is gonna do what he thinks is right and just.He wants his people to have good life cause it's the right thing to strive for.(My leaning is that of dude who doesn't give a damn about labels anymore and don't know.left leaning in the sense that equality and individual liberty is given importance).One of clark's villains where an archer(A bad guy version of robin hood and green arrow ).Clark wouldn't mind stealing from the rich and giving to the poor.But it has to be justice and without self interest.Otherwise, you aren't really having the best interest of the people in mind.

My point is that Jon knows nothing about what life is like for normal people. Clark can relate a lot more to them. And all those ideals you are describing a very vague. I can't thinkbof many issues that would be so clear cut as to what is right and what is wrong.

[Alpha]

In fact, it seems like your version of Superman wouldn't get involved in political issues

[Alpha]

Just take a look at the U.S.A. right now. A third of the country thinks the election was fradulent a quite a few of them decided to storm Capitol Hill. The rest of the country either thinks there was no fraud or actually voted for Biden and thinks the "protesters" are lunatic inssurectionists.

Would your Superman help those storming the capital or would he stop them? Or would he stay away from it all?

BLM protests. Most Left wings think the majority of protest were peaceful and necessary, and the ones that were violent, while shameful, did have at least partially a reason to exist, and might have been escalated by the aggressive police response. Most right wing people think all those protests were violent and that the police didn't yo far enough.

Where would your Superman stand?

[Alpha]

There are very few absolute wrongs or rights in this world. Anyone that believes otherwise is delusional.

[Prime]

Is it true Jon is being model after Superbro?

[manwhohaseverything]

Is it true Jon is being model after Superbro?

Yeah!when pkj's writing him.

[Robanker]

Yeah!when pkj's writing him.

He hasn't written him yet. Sean Lewis wrote the Superbro Jon.

[manwhohaseverything]

He hasn't written him yet. Sean Lewis wrote the Superbro Jon.

i get these guys mixed up.

[Prime]

He hasn't written him yet. Sean Lewis wrote the Superbro Jon.

Wait what? Really?

[Quinlan58]

From everything we've heard and the fact that Sean Lewis is going to be writing half the back-ups in PKJ's run, I expect the two of them have similar visions for Jon (and Superman in general). So PKJ's Jon is probably going to be closer to Superman of Metropolis Jon than to SM/WW Jon.

[Robanker]

Wait what? Really?

Yeah, Superman of Metropolis is more Superbro than we've had in a while. Unlike Clark, he screws up more, but it's literally one (of two) issues. We have no idea if he's going to stay that way, get his **** together, or just use those mistakes to grow into his father. We don't know anything yet. It was one comic.