I agree. Reed's got his contacts and Illuminati bunch. The Torch also gets around. Ben is easily the most social of the Four, having collected a wide variety of friends and acquaintances in his MTIO and West Coast Avengers days. Now some of us have gone on and on (me included) about Sue here and it would be a waste not to have her get more of a life than yelling at Franklin, Reed, and Johnny. I mean, they do need it, but Sue's needing more to fill her character out.
I’ll don the mask and wear the cape
If I am super, how can I wait?
I’d love to see Sue and Jessica have more interaction.
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Having said what I said earlier, these are not bad thoughts - I agree with most of them.
Reed Ben angst should only happen every 100 issues, maybe?
I've never really liked anyone for Johnny after Frankie, though Nita came close, that was a missed opportunity of sorts. But Lyja was 'okay', just clearly not a real love, like Crystal, Frankie, or Nita were/might have been.
Sue's involvement with Daughters of Liberty, Shield, and any other collab, should show here; text messages or phone calls. Yeah, what ever happened to her best friend Jan?
Leave the drama for the kids, all of them, but keep it weighted towards the other characters.
Long time reader and I've usually seen more balanced between the cast. Even in the before #200, they would have funky friends hanging out and always managed to make it look good; Tigra, Thundra and Impy around that time?
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Historically, Sue has brought QUITE A BIT to the table; you may not realize from current issues but go back a ways.
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I always agree with this, but also realize that in the beginning and more so in the early days, they each were their own sort of concept or essence; that is why elements, magical or not, seem to apply to them, though I often think that Reed is more water, and Sue air, it could also be seen the opposite.
But they're archetypes and even though Sue's character has been filled out, they seem to revert more to her archetype; damsel in D. Supportive wife, mother, or 'typical' one.
We all know that many writers have given a far more compelling sense of Sue.
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The dichotomy of how Defalco treated Sue, and I mostly agree, is that she also had to go through the Malice stuff again. Still there were some cool Malice moments around that time.
I keep remembering during/the crossover with one of the Infinity series, the one with evil dopplegangers, but Sue is literally taunting the Hulk about going at it, fist to fist. I can't recall if she is 'full-Malice' at this point; seems it grew on her over this part of the FF, but she is clearly not afraid of fighting the Hulk.
Leadership skills aside, she also had a killer attitude in many respects.
~ Oberon ~
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It's always bothered me that current Sue is never shown doing anything the doesn't involve either work or looking after family. We've often seen Ben working out. We've seen him playing poker with his buddies. Johnny races and works on cars, and was once in a rock band. The only time I remember Sue doing an activity on her own was when she left Reed and was living on that horse ranch.
At least we no longer have 60's Sue, who spent all of her alone time either trying on clothes or getting her hair done.
Basically Sue needs more visibility in other areas of the comics. Daughters of Liberty stuff, etc. So we'd either get her emphasis somewhere else (still sucks)
or such emphasis might drive increased stories or plots in the main title (not really, but?)
I have a very old memory of reading Strange Tales way back and the Wizard was challenging the Torch. (he did this a few times). I had never seen Marvel before. I was 8 years old and hospitalized for an infectious disease; quarantined for at least 2 weeks. But someone gave me this comic to read.
I was mesmerized by the moody art but not a capable reader at that age, didn't read much of it.
In the story Wizard challenges Torch to a duel and eventually Torch indicates he has a power that the Wizard doesn't know about.
The Hook! Sue, invisible, assists Johnny to convince the Wiz he was more powerful.
As a kid, I thought that Sue and Johnny were a couple; I didn't get the context of them walking together at the end, their costumes, etc.
Does anyone remember or know of that?
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I remember that story! Not really any details cuz it's been a while, but a couple of those Strange Tales stories were good for showing Johnny & Sue's relationship outside their normal team roles.
Also it's kinda funny how the Wizard went from hating Johnny to being more of a Reed enemy over time...given his original anti-superhuman stance, I'm surprised he's never really gone up against one of the X-teams!