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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruelrain View Post
    tony literally sold weapons to be used in wars. are you telling me they didn’t cause massive loss of life? selling weapons to terrorists that killed innocent people...

    Bringing this cause it seems like you're are acting like wanda it's the only one who did bad things when imo that's actually worst since more people probably lost their lifes.
    He did and that was wrong af.But as soon as he saw what was really happening he shut it down.Wanda saw what is happening in the Hex and ignored it.

    Never said that.They all deserve to be called out, but the examples you have provided for others are lackluster or ones they had no control over

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    Quote Originally Posted by Covetous_One View Post
    Is pointing out a characters flaws, even over exaggerated ones, considered hate?
    Yep, if you feel like comparing them to real life fascists and what not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GenericUsername View Post
    Not just flaws but making things seem like things they weren't. Coming in here and calling her a long time Hydra agent. And saying she created Ultron and that everything she did resulted in mass murder when it didn't is just extreme bs. That seems like it's meant to beat the bees nest.
    I like how you ignore the hulk(attempting mass murder fully knowing it), her mind-r*pe of Tony which leaded into ultron and the Hex(enslavement and torture of 3000 for her own needs)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaximoffTrash View Post
    Yep, if you feel like comparing them to real life fascists and what not.
    Jeez you take one thing and keep beating on it and ignore all other points.

    My point was she attempted mass murder via the hulk in what she believed was the greater truth(and revenge but you keep ignoring that).

    If the comparison made you uncomfortable I apologize, but I do think it should just a bit.Both were horrible things.
    Although one is much more horrible on accounts of being real and I apologize and will not make said comparison again

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiderfan001 View Post
    I like how you ignore the hulk(attempting mass murder fully knowing it), her mind-r*pe of Tony which leaded into ultron and the Hex(enslavement and torture of 3000 for her own needs)
    It wasn't attempted mass murder because she wasn't setting out to murder anyone. She attacked everyone's mind an no one died. So of course I'm gonna ignore it. It's more exaggerated bs for effect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GenericUsername View Post
    Not just flaws but making things seem like things they weren't. Coming in here and calling her a long time Hydra agent. And saying she created Ultron and that everything she did resulted in mass murder when it didn't is just extreme bs. That seems like it's meant to beat the bees nest.
    I’ll give you that one, she legit thought they where fighting with the good guys and didn’t know they where a terrorist organization. Though even Agatha looked at Wanda sideways when she explained it. Wanda, in MCU, is complicated. Wanda’s personality to me screams, “I’ll do what needs to be done and damn the consequences”, though she is realizing the severity of her actions and the need to learn how her powers work can go in hand with causing the least amount of collateral damage
    “There is no defense against the Scarlet Witch's HEX!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiderfan001 View Post
    Jeez you take one thing and keep beating on it and ignore all other points.

    My point was she attempted mass murder via the hulk in what she believed was the greater truth(and revenge but you keep ignoring that).

    If the comparison made you uncomfortable I apologize, but I do think it should just a bit.Both were horrible things.
    Although one is much more horrible on accounts of being real and I apologize and will not make said comparison again
    It's more than just making people uncomfortable. It's blatantly offensive. The Holocaust is a real thing. And the comparison isn't even close. Real people died. No one died because of the Hulk thing, nor the Westview thing. And it definitely wasn't ethnic cleansing.
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    Sorry dude, you fucked up and it's what it is.
    Why do you think you are the only one allowed to beat the dead horse, and doing necromancy on old tiring topics?
    You clearly don't care about others' comfort, so don't act entitled to yours.

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    I thought nothing could be more depressing than discussing what Wanda might do in the next movie, but I forgot that nothing is more depressing than arguing about what she did or didn't do in her first movie.

    It's pointless, they're never going to address it or even have characters mention it again. We're arguing over basically nothing.

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    Anyways

    Recently a nail artist went viral on tiktok for some WandaVision themed nail art


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    Quote Originally Posted by Covetous_One View Post
    I’ll give you that one, she legit thought they where fighting with the good guys and didn’t know they where a terrorist organization. Though even Agatha looked at Wanda sideways when she explained it. Wanda, in MCU, is complicated. Wanda’s personality to me screams, “I’ll do what needs to be done and damn the consequences”, though she is realizing the severity of her actions and the need to learn how her powers work can go in hand with causing the least amount of collateral damage
    I think she just doesn't think through the consequences because she's been running on grief for so long. She wants some corner of happiness. And is desperate to get it. They could make her smarter and more mature, but I definitely wouldn't paint her as a villain. Marvel has long liked their heroes to be flawed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruelrain View Post
    Anyways

    Recently a nail artist went viral on tiktok for some WandaVision themed nail art

    Those are really nice. It impresses me when people can do art on such a small canvas.
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    And really, we already discussed the writing of WV when it's airing and how it can be handled better, what it means for Wanda in MCU and stuff.
    No one is hanging on "ohhhh, she needs to be punished!", do dedicated fans even do that? It's just not the fan culture at least here to act like you are some kind of judge and your fav should be doing better. Because they are freaking ficitonal characters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaximoffTrash View Post
    In the end it's just a tiring topic.
    MCU usually refuses to answer questions that can put the favs into awkward conditions.

    I can do you one, is Tony Stark selfish for only bringing back the snapped population but not just reverting the timeline?
    There are loads of people who died from the indirect impact of the snap, and the problems left by the snap will make a lot of people live a harder life, but the lives of bunch of people and the happiness of the world is not to be traded for Tony's family. But he is framed as a family man and hero, the question about those potential losses are simply neglected since that will be too much weight to put on the golden child of MCU.(Actually the same for AoU, they narratively cannot afford to make Tony fuck up on his own, so there is Wanda, and also Banner to share the blame.)
    Wanda accidentally killed people in CW in an attempt to save people! So how about Tony rushing to Titan with no known backup or strategy what so ever, but they met Guardians somehow and didn't get annihilated by Thaons's army, they fought well! He narratively cannot look bad, even if his choice is actually likely to get them caught and Time Stone taken away. (And of course, give the control of loads of drones to Peter, but hey, no deadly consequences what so ever! Would be bad to taint his dead name.)

    Why fans of those protected by the narrative to never really fuck up too bad are so entiteld to criticize the characters who don't?
    T.S. was fixing the timeline.And do we know that people affected fatally by the snap indirectly aren't back.Even so that's more of failing to do comeplete good rather than do bad.Do you call a firefighter selfish if he was able to save most of the people in a burning building and dying trying but failed to save 2.
    Tony didn't cause the snap.He was the one trying his hardest to prevent it.Ehhh... Banner and Tony were both trying to save the world.And Tony roped Banner into it and Wanda was the one who mind-f*cked Tony into going to that extreme.It all does come back to her.And her motivation for said mind-f*ck was revenge which is not good either.

    And I only bring CW up to show how peoeple in MU see her.The hulk, Hex and mind-f*ck is more than enough stuff.

    And as for him being the golden child... I absolutely agree.He should have been made responsible for Ultron.And should have been more morally wrong in CW.They needed to be much more harsh with him.But they didn't and that is the canon that we have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GenericUsername View Post
    It's more than just making people uncomfortable. It's blatantly offensive. The Holocaust is a real thing. And the comparison isn't even close. Real people died. No one died because of the Hulk thing, nor the Westview thing. And it definitely wasn't ethnic cleansing.
    And I apologized.It's not why I made said comparison.

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