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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok83 View Post
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    Wanda fans, is there any significance to owls being used here?
    "Of course, owls have been associated with magic for a long time, and feature in many old illustrations of witches and wizards, second only to cats as Most Magical Creature. The owl's association with wisdom was established in Roman times, for it is the emblem of Minerva, goddess of wisdom."

    There is some significance, whether they will leave it at that or it holds deeper meaning, I have no clue.

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    Typically for Wanda, covers don't have meaning. What is on the cover never ends up in the pages. It's a weird thing that started with her absence after HoM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GenericUsername View Post
    Best guess is an affinity to birds...? But I saw that the Emma cover also had feathers. So many it's just the theme for those variants.
    Could be. Variants are known to sometimes have a connecting theme.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GenericUsername View Post
    Typically for Wanda, covers don't have meaning. What is on the cover never ends up in the pages. It's a weird thing that started with her absence after HoM.
    It's a version of Wolverine Publicity
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    Weird that shes getting that many variants for the issue #1, does that mean that she won't get any other for the issues left?

    Wonder what would happen in the #4 and #5 issues

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaximoffTrash View Post
    Now we can go back to talk about hair colors and eye colors and stuff I guess.
    If you feel like actually talk about stuff maybe just search up her lore and things you want to see.
    She needs to be punished like a bad girl sounds like nothing really. For all I know you can be wanting some porn material.
    Joke aside, more specific story points and theories to avoid fan annoyances. I lash out at every HoM suggestion anyway but I cut the actually thoughtful some slack.(But still calling it basing stuff upon shit because that is just the truth about HoM.)
    Also a couple other things, feel free to ignore this

    1)You seem to think that you are the guardian of Wanda and her thread from HoM.Which is fine but when you say stuff like "cut some slack" it seems like you think other people on this thread are your inferiors.It's a public forum and you are on the same position as most others here.

    2)You are surely more well-versed with 616 Wanda than me, but i have read enough Wanda pre-HoM to have a basic understanding of her character.And we are talking about MCU Wanda who is drastically different than 616 Wanda and I am well-versed in her stuff.Watched all of MCU 2+ with focus.Watched stuff like CW like 10+ times but dinner or in background.I think I have a good understanding of the character and can make my own opinion.

    3)You never did mention the one villain from MCU who you feel is unjustifiable.I think I could make a point that gets across with that, pick any one(except red skull because I just got a lot of heat regarding that topic and am not touching that with Namor's trident).Anyone else is fair game.(also if the other guy made this point, then ignore.And if other guys is reading, please do this.)

    4)I have no idea how you get the idea I want her to be in any remotely lewd stuff.Seems like you are tying my points to a lot of other experiences you have had(regarding wanda).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruelrain View Post
    Weird that shes getting that many variants for the issue #1, does that mean that she won't get any other for the issues left?

    Wonder what would happen in the #4 and #5 issues
    I think she will be back by 4 or 5
    They won't spoil it of course

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruelrain View Post
    Weird that shes getting that many variants for the issue #1, does that mean that she won't get any other for the issues left?

    Wonder what would happen in the #4 and #5 issues
    Makes you stop and Wonder, she has maybe more to do with this then we think.

    The hope is and should be this to be a breaking the limbo ice series for her character usage and Marvel Realizes she is a major profiting character for them finally.

    That is a hope to hope see happening by all these promos of her being of the covers but we need more story to even come close to know what the real deal is.
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    Also I was talking to this other guy about this and he said something I think is worth sharing

    "Monica(a black woman) telling Wanda that she would do the same thing as her if she had her powers is her justifying enslavement of innocent people against their will for her own benefit......"

    Thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruelrain View Post
    Weird that shes getting that many variants for the issue #1, does that mean that she won't get any other for the issues left?

    Wonder what would happen in the #4 and #5 issues
    That's a variant for #3.

    Quote Originally Posted by Spiderfan001 View Post
    Also I was talking to this other guy about this and he said something I think is worth sharing

    "Monica(a black woman) telling Wanda that she would do the same thing as her if she had her powers is her justifying enslavement of innocent people against their will for her own benefit......"

    Thoughts?
    Yeah, people (especially the so-called "dudebros" of comicbook fandom) unable to empathize with Wanda have been on her ass since the finale aired, and even worse trying to spin that into some sort of social issue where Wanda is the problematic and "privileged" one... Do YOU have any thoughts worth sharing? Cause we on this thread have obviously discussed it already, back when the show ended, and more recently too. Some people do take issue in that whole storyline, but it's definetely not because of some "black woman justifying slavery" bullshit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiderfan001 View Post
    Also I was talking to this other guy about this and he said something I think is worth sharing

    "Monica(a black woman) telling Wanda that she would do the same thing as her if she had her powers is her justifying enslavement of innocent people against their will for her own benefit......"

    Thoughts?
    That is a bad take, because Monica didn't said that. monica said that she knew what wanda went through and that is it.
    Wanda had no idea of what she did. That is huge part of the tv show that people loves to ignore to hate on wanda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiderfan001 View Post
    "Monica(a black woman) telling Wanda that she would do the same thing as her if she had her powers is her justifying enslavement of innocent people against their will for her own benefit......"
    It was about having the power to bring back a lost loved one, not the enslavement. Monica made that emphatically clear.
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    I know I said we talked about this already but I'll just say what I think anyway cause it eats me up if I don't:

    - Wanda created the HEX subconsciously. She goes to Westview knowing it was the place Vision decided to live with her on. She goes to the lot he bought for them. She's in deep pain and can't accept the fact that he had this life planned for them and it has been taken from her. So she literally explodes with grief with the power coming out of her.

    - Monica says she "would have done the same thing" as in she would've found a way to bring her mom back. Obviously, she wouldn't do the exact same thing as Wanda with the whole sitcom life, since she hasn't gone through all the trauma Wanda has gone through and as far as we know doesn't have this subconscious wish of living in a world like the ones from TV shows. You could argue she was "excusing" Wanda a bit too much instead of being harsher at her, and some argue that this is the show trying to manipulate the viewers but, she's not exactly "justifying" it. I have written a lot about why I think this makes perfect sense for Monica some time ago.

    - Wanda doesn't know from the beginning that she's living a fake life. Even as she becomes more and more aware, she doesn't really know what the people are feeling. She's not really mind controlling them in the way you'd expect from a telepath in a comic. It's all happening, as Agatha says, on "auto-pilot". It is made pretty clear on the finale that she doesn't known/doesn't accept that everyone is in pain. When Agatha turns off the mind control from Dottie's mind, she doesn't accept what she's being told and says Agatha is the one making her say this. When the people start talking about how they feel she's in denial and says they feel safe and at peace.

    - The "slavement" thing is... Yeah, I guess you could say they were "enslaved" into playing out her fantasy life. That has, however, absolutely NOTHING to do with slavery of black people in America. Trying to suggest there's racism undertones and throwing Monica's race into the mix, is, frankly, dumb, ridiculous and disingenous. You can't, or at least shouldn't, just throw the word "slavery" in there for impact and pretend there's a significant similarity. If you want to compare what Wanda did to a real life slavery scenario, it'd make more sense to compare it to slave labor that happens in China and other countries. Even then, it's a veeery vague analogy. Cause it's a fantasy/sci-fi show. Where people are forced to act in a certain way due to magical spells.

    You can disagree on some things, you can think it's still painting her in too bad of a light, that the very premise is bad, but the way some people just ignore all the context and the details and say "Wanda kidnapped/slaved/tortured a whole town, she's so bad!" like they didn't pay attention to anything they've watched, is honestly infuriating. The story is not so simplistic. You could probably still make an argument against her without taking away any sort of depth and nuance. If you can't do that, you either need to improve your interpretation skills or you're deliberetely dumbing things down to make an unsubstantiated point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravin' Ray View Post
    It was about having the power to bring back a lost loved one, not the enslavement. Monica made that emphatically clear.
    The optics were still bad. In the same episode. Monica, the one black woman, gets shot by the cops

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok83 View Post
    In the same episode. Monica, the one black woman, gets shot by the cops
    Yes but she wasn't the target. We saw it happening in slo-mo but from Hayward's POV she moved into the line of fire too quickly for him to realize at first or to react.
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