"HEX Be a Lady!" Scarlet Witch/Wanda Maximoff Appreciation 2021

[Albert1981]

Evan Peters wasn't really playing Pietro tho. It was every sense a whole different character who just happened to have the same powers and later found out he was Magneto's son.

Oh yeah, I understand that. But I think he might be an alternate version of Pietro in WandaVision. Maybe he'll be called Peter for all we know. I do have doubts that he will stick around for the long term though.

[GenericUsername]

Oh yeah, I understand that. But I think he might be an alternate version of Pietro in WandaVision. Maybe he'll be called Peter for all we know. I do have doubts that he will stick around for the long term though.

I think he's a different character.

[Rang10]

At nearly $5 a pop (books that are filled halfway with ads mind you), I SHOULD ask more of them.

"Chicks" aren't any better at writing romance. Both can do it. That's a sexist assumption. Modern comics just have neglected character driven stories.

I think writers are best at romance when they write the characters well, with their strenghts and their weakness. Kelly thompson did a great job on rogue and Gambit love story, Tom Taylor also did a good job with Green Arrow and Black Canary while on DC.

I think that many men fail on comics because they write for men and not for the entire couple

[teapartyofthedead]

That's a great take on the relationship. Simon was a hothead at times and I never liked that relationship. He should stick to being with Beast.

I hope they never do Stephen/Wanda (ignoring that one panel Bendis wrote, because it's typical gross Bendis stuff). Let them stay friends.

Thanks! I always loved the quiet it profound relationship between Wanda and Vision, but could never care about her drama with Simon. He’s so different from temperament and action from Vision, I could never understand how writers insist that Simon is somehow a truer version of Vision and that’s why he and Wanda are supposedly soulmates.

I think we can all agree that Wanda with Strange should remain platonic.

You make some excellent points. Thank you for sharing those interesting perspectives. Simon is pure Hollywood. Vision is more like a history professor. I think we know what kind of personality Wanda would gravitate towards. Voodoo is similar in many ways to Vision, but he's more spiritual. And more into magic. That's his shtick. I always thought Vision's interests were more varied. And maybe his personality will change in the comics after WandaVision. He looks pretty funny from what I've seen. And so does Wanda. Perhaps her personality will be altered as well. Those are changes I would welcome just as long as they stick to their values as heroes.

Thanks! I really hope WandaVision shows their sense of whimsy and urge to explore when they feel safe, usually around each other. Not turn them into another Spider-Man clone, constantly joking and arguing.

[teapartyofthedead]

I think he's a different character.

I hope so.

[Albert1981]

At nearly $5 a pop (books that are filled halfway with ads mind you), I SHOULD ask more of them.

"Chicks" aren't any better at writing romance. Both can do it. That's a sexist assumption. Modern comics just have neglected character driven stories.

Wow, you really must I think drag my knuckles around on the ground all the livelong day, don't you? I don't think I'm TOO sexist. But my opinion in this matter doesn't really count. You sound like a pretty literate person, as in you've read quite a few books (outside of comics)? It's a LOT to ask of male writers in the superhero genre to write women as anything less as badass fighting machines (with various articles of clothing missing). It's a genre filled with machismo action, so I don't expect them to be all that into relationships and families. Even the greatest male writers in 20th century American history have been criticized for their portrayal of women. Steinbeck's East of Eden and Hemingway's A Farewell to Arms are two big examples and I love those books. I also enjoyed Keyes's Flowers for Algernon and Tevis's The Queen's Gambit, but I've heard complaints about how women were portrayed in those books as well. Hell, people even made jokes about how male writers portrayed women at "rock bottom" in the movie version of the Queen's Gambit (which I haven't seen):

https://www.indy100.com/news/the-que...r-joy-b1763874

However, I never had any problems with how MEN were written in Willa Cather's Death Comes for the Archbishop, Buck's The Good Earth, Wharton's The Age of Innocence, McCullers' The Heart Is a Lonely Hunter. I even distinctly recalling you HATING how Whedon wrote women in the Age of Ultron. And you've made it clear of your dislike for Hickman's portrayal of the laydeez in his writing as well.

[Cruelrain]

Classic Scarlet Witch by Alex Ross

I love the way he draws her

[Albert1981]

I think writers are best at romance when they write the characters well, with their strenghts and their weakness. Kelly thompson did a great job on rogue and Gambit love story, Tom Taylor also did a good job with Green Arrow and Black Canary while on DC.

I think that many men fail on comics because they write for men and not for the entire couple

EXACTLY! I don't know why I'm taking so much heat for pointing out this very obvious fact! I'm pretty sure most of comic book readership consists of males, so these dudes (comic book writers) gear their writing towards that demographic.

[Albert1981]

I think he's a different character.

We'll see. I'm just getting more dubious by the day that ATJ will show up now. In football terms, we're at the two-minute warning of the 4th quarter. It's sort of now or never time.

[teapartyofthedead]

EXACTLY! I don't know why I'm taking so much heat for pointing out this very obvious fact! I'm pretty sure most of comic book readership consists of males, so these dudes (comic book writers) gear their writing towards that demographic.

Except most comics were never just for men, by men. The purge that happened after the Comics Code Authority was put into place meant that anything even deemed not Officially Wholesome meant that things like horror, sci-fi, and romance comics, exploring feminist, racial, and queer themes, things that only filthy commies were meant to believe in, were forced out. On top of the usual hierarchy that ensures only white males that could keep the few jobs among the Big Two. They survived because superhero comics had a large, broad demographic appeal across the board. Women of all races have always love comics, and they definitely loved super hero comics.

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[Albert1981]

Thanks! I always loved the quiet it profound relationship between Wanda and Vision, but could never care about her drama with Simon. He’s so different from temperament and action from Vision, I could never understand how writers insist that Simon is somehow a truer version of Vision and that’s why he and Wanda are supposedly soulmates.

I think we can all agree that Wanda with Strange should remain platonic.




Thanks! I really hope WandaVision shows their sense of whimsy and urge to explore when they feel safe, usually around each other. Not turn them into another Spider-Man clone, constantly joking and arguing.

Yeah, I never understood how Vision and Simon were different dudes with the same brain. I liked how in Avengers 2 that Ultron adopted the personality of Tony Stark. That made total sense to me. If Vision inherited Wonder Man's brain patterns, wouldn't he be a happy-go-lucky and devil-may-care fella like Simon too? Instead he was this serious dude with a "brooding" personality. As I've stated many times in this thread, it would have been much more logical for Vision to be more like Simon personality-wise. And for him to get on Wanda's nerves with his childish antics.

It seems like Wanda and Vision are very loving and supportive of one another in WandaVision. Which is great. That means the Byrne and Bendis stuff has been minimized. I would also hate it if Wanda and Vision become ANOTHER bickering couple in the MCU. Lang and van Dyne, MJ and Peter, Strange and Christine, Quill and Gamora, Stark and Potts. They spent entire minutes insulting and yelling at each other. It got really annoying and repetitive. I even doubted those couples were even in love a lot of the time. I didn't get that vibe with Wanda and Vision though. They seemed pretty mature about their romance. But from the trailers I'm seeing, it looks like Vision is slowly turning into a goofball.

[GenericUsername]

Wow, you really must I think drag my knuckles around on the ground all the livelong day, don't you? I don't think I'm TOO sexist. But my opinion in this matter doesn't really count. You sound like a pretty literate person, as in you've read quite a few books (outside of comics)? It's a LOT to ask of male writers in the superhero genre to write women as anything less as badass fighting machines (with various articles of clothing missing). It's a genre filled with machismo action, so I don't expect them to be all that into relationships and families. Even the greatest male writers in 20th century American history have been criticized for their portrayal of women. Steinbeck's East of Eden and Hemingway's A Farewell to Arms are two big examples and I love those books. I also enjoyed Keyes's Flowers for Algernon and Tevis's The Queen's Gambit, but I've heard complaints about how women were portrayed in those books as well. Hell, people even made jokes about how male writers portrayed women at "rock bottom" in the movie version of the Queen's Gambit (which I haven't seen):

https://www.indy100.com/news/the-que...r-joy-b1763874

However, I never had any problems with how MEN were written in Willa Cather's Death Comes for the Archbishop, Buck's The Good Earth, Wharton's The Age of Innocence, McCullers' The Heart Is a Lonely Hunter. I even distinctly recalling you HATING how Whedon wrote women in the Age of Ultron. And you've made it clear of your dislike for Hickman's portrayal of the laydeez in his writing as well.

It's not a lot to ask of male writers. Comics have had decent writers and bad writers in that regard. Most of them have been men. It's not gender. It's that some writers are plot focused and that plot does not prioritize relationships. And some are character driven and focus on relationships.

There have been male writers taken to task for their writing of women. But that is their own personal shortcomings. Not a gender exclusive thing. I hate to break it to you, but female writers have and can write other women badly. And have written them as punchy or science driven only while not realizing their own mistake that women are not all the same.

This idea that men should be excused from it is ridiculous. We are in 2021.

[Albert1981]

Except most comics were never just for men, by men. The purge that happened after the Comics Code Authority was put into place meant that anything even deemed not Officially Wholesome meant that things like horror, sci-fi, and romance comics, exploring feminist, racial, and queer themes, things that only filthy commies were meant to believe in, were forced out. On top of the usual hierarchy that ensures only white males that could keep the few jobs among the Big Two. They survived because superhero comics had a large, broad demographic appeal across the board. Women of all races have always love comics, and they definitely loved super hero comics.

2EEDF6A1-330C-49EB-AB2F-4F62BF9C1598.jpg

Wow! I didn't know that. It's only recently that I've discovered women were into comic books and video games. And quite a few of them like sports too. But NOT porn.

[teapartyofthedead]

Wow! I didn't know that. It's only recently that I've discovered women were into comic books and video games. And quite a few of them like sports too. But NOT porn.

Unfortunately, there always been a huge push against women even being acknowledged in fandoms, despite often being a main impetus and influence on it. Women created fanfic, fan conventions, and fanzines. A lot of men can’t stand the idea of women near anything they like, so they erased them from it. They promoted the idea only men can like comics, and the women who do are either ugly or a lesbian or both. But now that’s more obvious to everyone that women of all sexuality and races do like comics, and other fandoms, there has been a large push by such insecure men to get rid of women altogether, called comics gate. This hate movement would threaten rape and murder against any women with connections to comics. It’s why it has become so important to push back against the notion that women don’t belong in comics, shouldn’t expect better from men in comics, and nothing will ever change this.

I won’t even go into how much society punishes women for taking control of their own sexuality, and how many women are exploited in the porn industry, even when they are open and proud sex workers.

So we’re not saying you’re a terrible human. We’re saying that comics is for everyone, and it should always be that way.

[Albert1981]

Unfortunately, there always been a huge push against women even being acknowledged in fandoms, despite often being a main impetus and influence on it. Women created fanfic, fan conventions, and fanzines. A lot of men can’t stand the idea of women near anything they like, so they erased them from it. They promoted the idea only men can like comics, and the women who do are either ugly or a lesbian or both. But now that’s more obvious to everyone that women of all sexuality and races do like comics, and other fandoms, there has been a large push by such insecure men to get rid of women altogether, called comics gate. This hate movement would threaten rape and murder against any women with connections to comics. It’s why it has become so important to push back against the notion that women don’t belong in comics, shouldn’t expect better from men in comics, and nothing will ever change this.

I won’t even go into how much society punishes women for taking control of their own sexuality, and how many women are exploited in the porn industry, even when they are open and proud sex workers.

So we’re not saying you’re a terrible human. We’re saying that comics is for everyone, and it should always be that way.

But the thing is, I am a terrible human being. Yeah, the whole Stormy Daniels thing opened my eyes to the porn industry. I didn't even know they gave out awards for their performances. These past few years have opened my eyes to a lot of things. Comics gate? It sounds more like a SCANDAL to me than a hate movement. I think I should do some research on this matter! Thank you for bringing it to my attention. When I was reading comics in the 90s, this stuff was NOT an issue. I had no idea things got so toxic.