"HEX Be a Lady!" Scarlet Witch/Wanda Maximoff Appreciation 2021

[Albert1981]

I think Cruelrain made a good comparison on a Wanda thread last year. Wanda could be to Strange in the Multiverse of Madness what the Hulk was to Thor in Ragnarok.

[Albert1981]

I think they have more than ITMoM planned for Wanda or they wouldn't say that WandaVision was just the beginning. It doesn't have to be her taking over that movie (which I don't want either). It cioud easily be something else. There was a time where we though Endgame might be the last we see of her. And then they announced WandaVision and ITMoM.

Regardless, they say her story is at the beginning. So I'm gonna wait for it to be all done first.

I'm not too concerned with Wanda upstaging Stephen in his own movie. I think her STORY might blend in with his in a way which might annoy some Strange fans, but I don't think should be too bad. I do think that the leader characters in Civil War and Black Panther were overshadowed by other folks though. But that's because there were a LOT of characters in those movies. Too many in my opinion. Hopefully Strange 2 will have less.

May I ask, if it's not too personal, what you thought of the therapist scene in the Falcon and the Winter Soldier episode which aired last week? Some felt that Bucky had the the world's worst psychologist. One comment I read stated: "I mean, wow. That is not a therapeutic dynamic!" What I think that poster meant was that that session was REALLY combative and hostile. And that Bucky's psychologist was extremely judgmental and impatient. Therapists from my understanding DON'T act like that in general. However, here was a quote which disputed that claim:

"I think the point is that Bucky is a sarcastic man who is too smart for your typical therapist. That’s why the government gave him a sarcastic ex-soldier doctor. She won’t let Bucky hide away in his trauma and is witty enough to match his sarcasm. He can’t use excuses like she doesn’t understand how he feels because she does better than most having been a soldier and having killed a bunch of people. And everybody needs a different type of therapist. Sometimes healing isn’t about a calming, peaceful space, but about confronting hard truths. I imagine under normal circumstances she’s probably be one intrusive statement away from being reported to any number of psychological boards, but Bucky isn’t a normal person by a long-shot and I doubt he’d respond well to normal therapy. There is no way anyone is gonna "kumbaya hug and heal" Bucky out of that real specific funk and guilt that he's in. Standard therapy isn't enough to cut through to a guy who got brainwashed into executing peeps over a few decades. His only real way to break out of is gonna be through people who can match some of the conflict/guilt/shame/powerlessness that he went through and help him confront it properly."

[Albert1981]

Why Vision and the Scarlet Witch have been sidelined in Marvel Comics:

https://screenrant.com/why-vision-sc...marvel-comics/

I had no idea that Billy, Tommy and Viv have become WAY more popular than their parents ever were!

[CosmiComic]

Why Vision and the Scarlet Witch have been sidelined in Marvel Comics:

https://screenrant.com/why-vision-sc...marvel-comics/

I had no idea that Billy, Tommy and Viv have become WAY more popular than their parents ever were!

I think it's great the new team gets plenty of positive attention. But I don't think it needs to come at their parents' expense.

[gurkle]

I had no idea that Billy, Tommy and Viv have become WAY more popular than their parents ever were!

They aren't. Maybe someday they will be, but not now. Most of the Young Avengers fall into a similar category of characters who are used sometimes, but not consistently.

[CosmiComic]

They aren't. Maybe someday they will be, but not now. Most of the Young Avengers fall into a similar category of characters who are used sometimes, but not consistently.

Perhaps they're more "talked about" at the moment rather than famous

[GenericUsername]

Why Vision and the Scarlet Witch have been sidelined in Marvel Comics:

https://screenrant.com/why-vision-sc...marvel-comics/

I had no idea that Billy, Tommy and Viv have become WAY more popular than their parents ever were!

Screen Rant is just pulling guesses out of their bums here. There is nothing to indicate why Vision and Wanda have not been in comics. Viv isn't more popular than them. Bar none, not many people outside of comics know who she even is. Billy is way popular, Speed slightly less so and definitely forgotten in comics as well. Minus a few appearances.

Complicated history isn't it because at this point all characters have that. They are currently doing the same with Thor and he's highly featured.

So this article isn't worth anything unless they start producing quotes from Marvel.

[GenericUsername]

I'm not too concerned with Wanda upstaging Stephen in his own movie. I think her STORY might blend in with his in a way which might annoy some Strange fans, but I don't think should be too bad. I do think that the leader characters in Civil War and Black Panther were overshadowed by other folks though. But that's because there were a LOT of characters in those movies. Too many in my opinion. Hopefully Strange 2 will have less.

May I ask, if it's not too personal, what you thought of the therapist scene in the Falcon and the Winter Soldier episode which aired last week? Some felt that Bucky had the the world's worst psychologist. One comment I read stated: "I mean, wow. That is not a therapeutic dynamic!" What I think that poster meant was that that session was REALLY combative and hostile. And that Bucky's psychologist was extremely judgmental and impatient. Therapists from my understanding DON'T act like that in general. However, here was a quote which disputed that claim:

"I think the point is that Bucky is a sarcastic man who is too smart for your typical therapist. That’s why the government gave him a sarcastic ex-soldier doctor. She won’t let Bucky hide away in his trauma and is witty enough to match his sarcasm. He can’t use excuses like she doesn’t understand how he feels because she does better than most having been a soldier and having killed a bunch of people. And everybody needs a different type of therapist. Sometimes healing isn’t about a calming, peaceful space, but about confronting hard truths. I imagine under normal circumstances she’s probably be one intrusive statement away from being reported to any number of psychological boards, but Bucky isn’t a normal person by a long-shot and I doubt he’d respond well to normal therapy. There is no way anyone is gonna "kumbaya hug and heal" Bucky out of that real specific funk and guilt that he's in. Standard therapy isn't enough to cut through to a guy who got brainwashed into executing peeps over a few decades. His only real way to break out of is gonna be through people who can match some of the conflict/guilt/shame/powerlessness that he went through and help him confront it properly."

I didn't see anything out of the ordinary for his therapy scene. I remember her asking him to go over what steps she had him take to avoid getting into trouble and falling into his usual traps. That seems normal. She might have been a bit too stern but not damaging.

They indeed might have got someone who can just pull him out of his shell. And she might be who he prefers to see. I've had therapists that didn't work for me but work for others.

[Albert1981]

Screen Rant is just pulling guesses out of their bums here. There is nothing to indicate why Vision and Wanda have not been in comics. Viv isn't more popular than them. Bar none, not many people outside of comics know who she even is. Billy is way popular, Speed slightly less so and definitely forgotten in comics as well. Minus a few appearances.

Complicated history isn't it because at this point all characters have that. They are currently doing the same with Thor and he's highly featured.

So this article isn't worth anything unless they start producing quotes from Marvel.

I didn't know this. I haven't read any comics since the pandemic started, so I have no idea what the hell is going on there. I am somewhat aware of Billy's, Tommy's and Viv's growing popularity. I don't think that can be denied.

[Albert1981]

I didn't see anything out of the ordinary for his therapy scene. I remember her asking him to go over what steps she had him take to avoid getting into trouble and falling into his usual traps. That seems normal. She might have been a bit too stern but not damaging.

They indeed might have got someone who can just pull him out of his shell. And she might be who he prefers to see. I've had therapists that didn't work for me but work for others.

Oh, okay. Thanks for your input. I just that therapy session was kinda aggressive. But Bucky wasn't being particularly cooperative so I guess a more aggressive approach was needed. I guess I'm more used to the "In Treatment" style of psychotherapy.

[Cruelrain]

[Wiccan]

I didn't know this. I haven't read any comics since the pandemic started, so I have no idea what the hell is going on there. I am somewhat aware of Billy's, Tommy's and Viv's growing popularity. I don't think that can be denied.

I'd say the family popularity quite obviously goes Wanda>Vision>Billy>Tommy>Viv. Viv might be ahead of Tommy in comics-only.

[Probability010]

Leaked some old concept arts for some Marvel movies/series

We can see an early design for Wanda in MoM which looks like her infinity war hair and costume (where's the tiara?) Also it looks like Clea it's there as well as America Chavez



By @MCU_Direct

Ugh, that would be a regression compared to what she had in WandaVision. It's either really old or fake. Anyone here remember the fake Mephisto game or toy during WandaVision? Recently it has been said that Doctor Strange's costume will be more comic-accurate, and that's definitely not. I don't remember what the source was, but I think it was an official one. Also in interviews for weeks now Lizzie is consistently with black hair, all during the time she is shooting MoM, which makes me believe that's what she's going for.

If this was a real concept from earlier, I wonder who the character next to Wanda is. Looks to me like Wong, with more prominent beard and hair.

[CosmiComic]

I'd say the family popularity quite obviously goes Wanda>Vision>Billy>Tommy>Viv. Viv might be ahead of Tommy in comics-only.

Outside of comics, would you say Billy and Tommy have only become popular due to WandaVision? I don't know what other adaptations they've been in.

[GenericUsername]

Ugh, that would be a regression compared to what she had in WandaVision. It's either really old or fake. Anyone here remember the fake Mephisto game or toy during WandaVision? Recently it has been said that Doctor Strange's costume will be more comic-accurate, and that's definitely not. I don't remember what the source was, but I think it was an official one. Also in interviews for weeks now Lizzie is consistently with black hair, all during the time she is shooting MoM, which makes me believe that's what she's going for.

If this was a real concept from earlier, I wonder who the character next to Wanda is. Looks to me like Wong, with more prominent beard and hair.

That seems like stuff that's very early on in the concept phase and probably before Wanda's show. So I'm not worried about it. I hope that Clea is in the film. She should be there.