Wanda rules and limitations only mattered when writers cared. What should we do? Harp on about it? What would that change? Because it'll just be different again when the next writer tackles it. Sometimes she can defeat things with ease, sometimes she's a non-factor. Sometimes chaos magic has rules, sometimes not. Overall she's a nexus being that channels a magical god power through her that comes from the universe's creation and is very difficult to wield. But she manages to mostly keep control of it unless manipulated or possessed.
It's not about the posters not having an understanding of it. We understand that Marvel has not done well with magic. It's not our problem to address nor fix.
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Nah, I don't believe you. I'm that dickhead that this thread can't stand having around. If Ravin' Ray could post what he really thought of me, he'd have to ban HIMSELF.
But thanks for the warm welcome. I totally agree with your assessment on the MCU's use of magic thus far. It's been pretty tempered and restrained. And I like that a LOT. People complain about nerfing, and I get that complaint, but I think it's a necessary evil. I can live with it. I have greater problems when characters all of a sudden become DUMBER for no reason, but deus ex machinas can just kill the suspense and tension in stories. And the inconsistent use of magic especially through the extensive application of retcons just destroys the "magic" of the movies and shows I watch (at least it does that for me). As I've stated MANY times on the Doctor Strange thread, I'm curious just how MUCH magic will be in the Multiverse of Madness. I want it to look cool, but I think it can be used sparingly to create even greater drama.
Magic should have a price is what you're basically saying, I think? I agree with you if that's what you're getting at. It absolutely should. Like when Wanda expanded the Hex, did she get tired and depressed? Or was that because she was practically divorced and got gaslit by Fietro? I dunno what happened there.
I'm talking about the movies and shows. Wanda's powers HAVE been streamlined there to a certain extent. Thus far. But after she's done reading that book, I think things could change. And get out of control. I think Marvel has not handled magic well for twenty years. I mean, the way they've used it in their stories just feeds into the narratives that magic can solve almost any kinds of problems. Feige and company are kinda scared of magic being used in their properties. And frankly, so am I. Even recent movies have caused me to doubt how successful they can be. It's not our problem to address. But I think if we BITCH enough about it on here, Marvel editors and writers will say yeah, those lunatics on those CBR threads have a point!!!
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Indeed I am Glad you Argee with My view on the MCU power scaling. I think the MCU did the nerfing Backwards that has made it work, they took our Favorites who we knew by the late 2000s when the MCU was getting its feet on the Ground Just how Strong These Characters Truly Where. But the MCU started them at their base forms and not brining in their bigger guns until they where build untop of One Another, pieces like an evolving RPG game seeing the characters get stronge, smarter, better skilled that made sense and not just rushed to get to a story plot needed or to the next movie. They did not worry about just one and done, but used movies like TV Episodes to build their stories to slow us into their world.
That is why they can get with the Now Stranger Powers like they did with Wanda, Fans can accept world altering Chaos Magic and Multiverses cause thier minds are at that level, it was a slow burn into the MCU world the public came along with. It is taking well established characters, nerfing them for the right logical reasons and making them grow smart with each new chapter to their story.
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Well, the MCU based its universe on science. There's no question about that. Look at the original Avengers. How many magic users were on that team? How many "supporting characters" were mystical in nature up until the Week of Ultron? Not many. It didn't matter to me at first because when I was a boy, I watched a lot of Quantum Leap and MacGyver. I liked the old James Bond movies too. Because of the gadgets. Because the protagonists used their charm and intelligence to beat the "bad guys". My early exposure to fantasy was through the Wizard of Oz and Peter Pan, and there wasn't a lot of superheroing going on there. I'm glad they didn't bring on the big guns TOO early. And they didn't make them too strong. In fact, the villains in the MCU always felt weak to me with extremely poor motivations. A lot of them just wanted to be evil. I find that boring. But the gradual development of magical powers has been nice. I think it's been slow and that's great. But Wanda creating life out of nothing is a HUGE step up from previous appearances.
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I feel it should have limits and preferred Wanda's powers have limits. And they do technically in comics. They use to be limited to line of sight and what was near her person. She couldn't use her powers through a television for instance. Her powers now are limited to normal range for her unless she taps into a power strong enough. Magical artifacts in the universe have a cost for their use. And should only be used by those with the knowledge and discipline or in times were it is important. It's just at times Marvel does not remember these things. Nor do they remember that Wanda is adept at magic.
But limits were always something I preferred. We have had discussions of that here over the years. That they should put limits on Wanda because when her powers are overboard she gets used as a plot device and is no longer seen as a character. Some have suggested her tiara block out possession or control of her. Like how Mags' helm kept him from psionic attacks. It's not a new subject. We just know it goes nowhere.
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I feel like MU is just way oversized for a more well-defined magic system and respective rules.
Mystic Arcana and Marvel Tarot kinda wanted to be that "Official Handbook for mystical Marvel" which tried really hard to tie most mystical stuff together but clearly no writer ever gave a shit about that.(Like there was that suggestion that Chthon or Set had a hand in causing AD/HOM in Marvel Tarot.)
Also I heard Marvel is releasing "Book of Vishanti" which is also some sort of encyclopedia for Marvel's magic.
There is still hope for MCU though.
Again I think movies/shows and various "one-sided visual receiving" media can afford to have less-defined rules than say videos games/table RPGs.