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    Quote Originally Posted by Probability010 View Post
    A friendly reminder from Marvel Comics that they are ignoring Wanda:

    Wanda appears on an alternate cover to this issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leokearon View Post
    Yeah, but she hasn't been an Avenger for ages.
    She made a ton from being the most consistent serving Avenger for years.
    Love is for souls, not bodies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Witchfan View Post
    Wanda appears on an alternate cover to this issue.
    Yeah it's always a variant. But the real question is she actually in the book. She was on the covers for A-Force and Fearless Defenders but never actually in the books themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GenericUsername View Post
    She made a ton from being the most consistent serving Avenger for years.
    Maybe, I remember that after she and Vision bought their house in Leonia, they had nearly gone through their savings in a few months since they weren't Avengers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leokearon View Post
    Maybe, I remember that after she and Vision bought their house in Leonia, they had nearly gone through their savings in a few months since they weren't Avengers.
    That was then though. She'd be an Avenger for quite a bit more after that. And investments in stocks are a thing. Jan also bankrolled the UA team.
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    I don't have much confidence in Marvel magic. I'm not just talking about Wanda. Strange, Loki, Voodoo, Magik and Wong are in the same boat. I think Marvel writers and editors see magical characters as walking, talking deus ex machinas. So they're hesitant to use them. And I have to agree with them to a certain extent. It's not easy to write fantasy stories.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Albert1981 View Post
    I don't have much confidence in Marvel magic. I'm not just talking about Wanda. Strange, Loki, Voodoo, Magik and Wong. I think Marvel writers and editors see magical characters as walking, talking deus ex machinas. So they're hesitant to use them. And I have to agree with them to a certain extent. It's not easy to write fantasy stories.
    Yeah, I don't think we should worry about it anymore than Pym Particles in the MCU. Suddenly they can time travel. Really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mik View Post
    Yeah, I don't think we should worry about it anymore than Pym Particles in the MCU. Suddenly they can time travel. Really?
    At least they spent quite a bit of screentime describing "time travel" in Endgame. I've read some of the comments about quantum physics made by "scientific advisers" hired by Marvel, and there is SOME plausibility to what they're saying. I personally don't believe in multiple realities and timelines myself though, but I can see how they could work. Pam Particles and Infinity Stones. Just scientific and cosmic nonsense.

    To me, I actually think the movies and shows have a better handle on magic than the comic books themselves! Look at how JMS talked about how "magic" was used to get rid of Spidey's and MJ's marriage and how he hated how Marvel handled it (I didn't read this story. Up until VERY recently, I thought Mary Jane was still Peter's missus)!:

    "And that’s the part I had a real problem with, maybe the single biggest problem. There’s this notion that magic fixes everything. It doesn’t. “It’s magic, we don’t have to explain it.” Well, actually, yes, you do. Magic has to have rules. And this is clearly not just a case of one spell making everybody forget he’s Spidey…suddenly you’re bringing back the dead, undoing wounds, erasing records, reinstating web shooters, on and on and on.

    What I wanted to do was to make one small change to history, a tiny thing, whose ripples we could control to only touch what editorial wanted to touch, making changes we could explain logically. I worked for weeks to come up with a timeline that would leave every other bit of continuity in place. It was rigorous, and as logical as I could make it. In the end of OMD as published, Harry is alive and he’s always been alive as far as the characters know…so how is that different than he was alive the whole time?"

    How can comic book readers take magic in the comics seriously when it's used in such ridiculous and contrived ways? I can't and I don't. Fantasy doesn't have to be realistic. It actually shouldn't be. But it needs rules, logic and consistency like any other literary genre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albert1981 View Post
    At least they spent quite a bit of screentime describing "time travel" in Endgame. I've read some of the comments about quantum physics made by "scientific advisers" hired by Marvel, and there is SOME plausibility to what they're saying. I personally don't believe in multiple realities and timelines myself though, but I can see how they could work. Pam Particles and Infinity Stones. Just scientific and cosmic nonsense.

    To me, I actually think the movies and shows have a better handle on magic than the comic books themselves! Look at how JMS talked about how "magic" was used to get rid of Spidey's and MJ's marriage and how he hated how Marvel handled it (I didn't read this story. Up until VERY recently, I thought Mary Jane was still Peter's missus)!:

    "And that’s the part I had a real problem with, maybe the single biggest problem. There’s this notion that magic fixes everything. It doesn’t. “It’s magic, we don’t have to explain it.” Well, actually, yes, you do. Magic has to have rules. And this is clearly not just a case of one spell making everybody forget he’s Spidey…suddenly you’re bringing back the dead, undoing wounds, erasing records, reinstating web shooters, on and on and on.

    What I wanted to do was to make one small change to history, a tiny thing, whose ripples we could control to only touch what editorial wanted to touch, making changes we could explain logically. I worked for weeks to come up with a timeline that would leave every other bit of continuity in place. It was rigorous, and as logical as I could make it. In the end of OMD as published, Harry is alive and he’s always been alive as far as the characters know…so how is that different than he was alive the whole time?"

    How can comic book readers take magic in the comics seriously when it's used in such ridiculous and contrived ways? I can't and I don't. Fantasy doesn't have to be realistic. It actually shouldn't be. But it needs rules, logic and consistency like any other literary genre.
    I don't think magic is being used that way any more than science is in the MCU tbh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mik View Post
    I don't think magic is being used that way any more than science is in the MCU tbh
    I think Marvel takes the science in its movies VERY seriously:

    https://www.wired.co.uk/article/marvel-movies-science

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albert1981 View Post
    I think Marvel takes the science in its movies VERY seriously:

    https://www.wired.co.uk/article/marvel-movies-science
    Yeah, but the magic in the MCU has been less crazy than the science/tech for the most part. I think they'll probably keep it that way

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mik View Post
    Yeah, but the magic in the MCU has been less crazy than the science/tech for the most part. I think they'll probably keep it that way
    Oh, the science/tech in Marvel is out there for sure. But surprisingly a LOT of the fictional tech in the MCU is tethered to REAL science. Marvel Studios is trying to be as scientifically accurate as possible:

    https://www.seeker.com/videos/earth-...matic-universe

    Magic is not real, so it IS harder to make it appear "plausible". But I think rules, limitations and internal consistency would prevent fantasy stories from "losing" audiences. I really enjoyed the reality warping in the MCU thus far. I think it looks great. But I don't think ADDING more powers in each new show/movie is a great idea. I like the idea of expanding on previous ones more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albert1981 View Post
    Oh, the science/tech in Marvel is out there for sure. But surprisingly a LOT of the fictional tech in the MCU is tethered to REAL science. Marvel Studios is trying to be as scientifically accurate as possible:

    https://www.seeker.com/videos/earth-...matic-universe

    Magic is not real, so it IS harder to make it appear "plausible". But I think rules, limitations and internal consistency would prevent fantasy stories from "losing" audiences. I really enjoyed the reality warping in the MCU thus far. I think it looks great. But I don't think ADDING more powers in each new show/movie is a great idea. I like the idea of expanding on previous ones more.
    I'd like to see them use the existing powers but new creative and interesting ways

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mik View Post
    I'd like to see them use the existing powers but new creative and interesting ways
    Yeah. I'd like to see that too. And if Marvel Studios is smart, I think they will go that route. And loads more people will start taking the fantasy corner of Marvel way more seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albert1981 View Post
    Yeah. I'd like to see that too. And if Marvel Studios is smart, I think they will go that route. And loads more people will start taking the fantasy corner of Marvel way more seriously.
    Lots of people already do

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