"HEX Be a Lady!" Scarlet Witch/Wanda Maximoff Appreciation 2021

[starduck]

I'm in the fake Wanda camp and she better be more than a plot device here

[Bruce Wayne]

Funny that while wanda is dead, Doom is having big roles on Ewing books.

ah the sexism on marvel books

Is it really a surprise? The Avenger characters have been under the control of the same bunch of male editors that okayed Disassembled. Even with the sudden push by the MCU they don't want anything to do with the character.

[teapartyofthedead]

Hmm they should do more with that then instead of scape goating Wanda, I personally blame Pietro more than anyone he gets off way too easily IMO.

Marvel should do more with Doom giving Wanda forbidden knowledge just to harvest her power during the fall out that would ultimately result. He actually planned for preying on Wanda’s desperation to see her children again, and the only reason it wasn’t like his God Emperor Doom universe is because it blew up in his face like so many of his power grabs. Axis does bring it up, but since then Marvel has tried its best to pretend it never happened. They just let people believe Wanda committed genocide out of a petty tantrum instead of being possessed.

I also never understood how Pietro was supposed to be at fault for No More Mutants. He was literally murdered by Magneto and then briefly revived before Wanda (under the influence of the Life Force) said No More Mutants. He certainly didn’t twist her arm to do it. If you think he got off light for trying to keep Wanda from being murdered in her sickbed by their nearest and dearest, try reading Son of M, Silent War, his arc in X-Factor investigations and All New X-Factor. He tries to kill himself after a run-in with Spider-Man, and it gets worse from there.

[starduck]

Is it really a surprise? The Avenger characters have been under the control of the same bunch of male editors that okayed Disassembled. Even with the sudden push by the MCU they don't want anything to do with the character.

Ikr, the disrespect Wanda is treated with is unbelievable. Her death is showed like a minor annoying thing like if someone got drunk and trashed the party or something

[teapartyofthedead]

Ikr, the disrespect Wanda is treated with is unbelievable. Her death is showed like a minor annoying thing like if someone got drunk and trashed the party or something

It feels like their going for a dark humor tone, but it does come off as incredibly jarring when Cyclops jokes about Wanda to her sister’s face like Wanda only took an embarrassing tumble. I almost expect them to break out a Ding Dong! The Witch is Dead parody. It doesn’t help this is a clear example of fridging, something you would think the Big 2 would be leery of perpetuating in the modern era.

[Writerblog]

Ikr, the disrespect Wanda is treated with is unbelievable. Her death is showed like a minor annoying thing like if someone got drunk and trashed the party or something

Total disrespect.
First it was Cyclops doing a half aked joke about the assassination. Then now it is a something that ruined the Gala.
Oh look Wanda screwing over mutants again. It really feels like nobody cares about Wanda, just a "oh somenbody died shrugs*

[teapartyofthedead]

The reason is bad writing

Wanda doesn't control all reality

Not only that, but Wanda was trained in hand to hand combat by Captain America until he was satisfied she could defend herself without her powers. Unless her magic was suppressed and was facing someone of incredible power, I would expect her to fight back instead of running away. Especially against someone who had to strangle her with their own hands. So far, this depiction is insulting but not unexpected. I would dearly love to be prove wrong by the actual issue. Northstar may not know she isn’t all powerful, but he does know that she isn’t a weakling either.

What does Rachel mean by temporal residue? Did someone time travel to get to Wanda (pointing to someone like Kang) or someone used time powers to attack her (someone with powers like Tempo)?

[PlanetaryDevastation]

Marvel should do more with Doom giving Wanda forbidden knowledge just to harvest her power during the fall out that would ultimately result. He actually planned for preying on Wanda’s desperation to see her children again, and the only reason it wasn’t like his God Emperor Doom universe is because it blew up in his face like so many of his power grabs. Axis does bring it up, but since then Marvel has tried its best to pretend it never happened. They just let people believe Wanda committed genocide out of a petty tantrum instead of being possessed.

I also never understood how Pietro was supposed to be at fault for No More Mutants. He was literally murdered by Magneto and then briefly revived before Wanda (under the influence of the Life Force) said No More Mutants. He certainly didn’t twist her arm to do it. If you think he got off light for trying to keep Wanda from being murdered in her sickbed by their nearest and dearest, try reading Son of M, Silent War, his arc in X-Factor investigations and All New X-Factor. He tries to kill himself after a run-in with Spider-Man, and it gets worse from there.

HOM did no favor to any of the twins. While Wanda got it worse, partly because she was the one who did it and because she was kick out of comics for a long time, Pietro got hurt too. Pietro making Wanda rewrite reality is supposed to be him coercing/dominating his unstable sister to a bad end. It made no sense but Bendis wanted it to be a bad thing. The right thing was to let her die because Bendis really wanted that to be the answer. But the following comics made him look worse and worse over time. He used his sister, he drugged his daughter, etc, etc.

Bendis' actions made it looked like the twins were destined to be bad, screw ups and dysfunctional because they were related to Magneto. Son of M was literally about how he was becoming like his father because he has his blood in them. Which is a shame because the prevailing characteristics of the twins before Bendis was that for all their flaws they were better people than their father. And that they were able to endure and overcome their past and be heroes because they were Avengers and thus heroes before anything else. And those comics showed that. They cared about people and they had a future and lives outside their fathers.

Since Bendis, both twins have become Magneto F-upped kids in universe and out. But Pietro was able to escape better because it seems most writers either didn't care about him or because they simply blamed Wanda more. Probably the latter. And so PAD and Gage was able to drag him out from that shadow. (I liked Pietro time is Academy). In order for Wanda to be fixed, she just needs to be removed from all that toxicity and the hanging albatross of HOM. But that want happen because some people want their pound of flesh and it the editors of Marvel view that as her most defining thing.

At the end of the day, their is no way that everyone will be pleased about how Marvel handle the HOM fallout. For all the complaints of how the X-men spent a decade mired in misery porn, so did fans of the twins. And there is no way, IMO, that the twins will go back to how things were. Hickman has made that clear. The pound of flesh will be had. And some people will not be happy about how it ends.

[Writerblog]

Not only that, but Wanda was trained in hand to hand combat by Captain America until he was satisfied she could defend herself without her powers. Unless her magic was suppressed and was facing someone of incredible power, I would expect her to fight back instead of running away. Especially against someone who had to strangle her with their own hands. So far, this depiction is insulting but not unexpected. I would dearly love to be prove wrong by the actual issue. Northstar may not know she isn’t all powerful, but he does know that she isn’t a weakling either.

What does Rachel mean by temporal residue? Did someone time travel to get to Wanda (pointing to someone like Kang) or someone used time powers to attack her (someone with powers like Tempo)?

On Defenders comic this week, Doctor Strange used hand to hand combat succesfully. really makes me think
whoeer killed her wasn't someone very strong, they needed to drag her to finish it and she struggle for a while. So it is crazy that she can't fight and use some tricks.

I'm not even sure the writer knows her powers. This looks like a mistake

rachel can go back in time via psychic powers, Rachel couldn't tell who did. It's like the person is cloaked to her powers. So it is someone that have time powers or using a device to mess up with time

[CJStriker]

Not only that, but Wanda was trained in hand to hand combat by Captain America until he was satisfied she could defend herself without her powers. Unless her magic was suppressed and was facing someone of incredible power, I would expect her to fight back instead of running away. Especially against someone who had to strangle her with their own hands. So far, this depiction is insulting but not unexpected. I would dearly love to be prove wrong by the actual issue. Northstar may not know she isn’t all powerful, but he does know that she isn’t a weakling either.

What does Rachel mean by temporal residue? Did someone time travel to get to Wanda (pointing to someone like Kang) or someone used time powers to attack her (someone with powers like Tempo)?

That is why I think the Northstar point was so important, it was to elevate worries over why something like this would happen to a character as powerful, skilled and well trained as Wanda, adding more to the mystery why this would happen to someone like her, keeping her characters power and skills opin the respect and history they deserve.

Now this was a decent 1st step to help IMO settle down that worries starting to a degree, but more has to go from here.

We need to see where the story takes it from here.

[teapartyofthedead]

HOM did no favor to any of the twins. While Wanda got it worse, partly because she was the one who did it and because she was kick out of comics for a long time, Pietro got hurt too. Pietro making Wanda rewrite reality is supposed to be him coercing/dominating his unstable sister to a bad end. It made no sense but Bendis wanted it to be a bad thing. The right thing was to let her die because Bendis really wanted that to be the answer. But the following comics made him look worse and worse over time. He used his sister, he drugged his daughter, etc, etc.

Bendis' actions made it looked like the twins were destined to be bad, screw ups and dysfunctional because they were related to Magneto. Son of M was literally about how he was becoming like his father because he has his blood in them. Which is a shame because the prevailing characteristics of the twins before Bendis was that for all their flaws they were better people than their father. And that they were able to endure and overcome their past and be heroes because they were Avengers and thus heroes before anything else. And those comics showed that. They cared about people and they had a future and lives outside their fathers.

Since Bendis, both twins have become Magneto F-upped kids in universe and out. But Pietro was able to escape better because it seems most writers either didn't care about him or because they simply blamed Wanda more. Probably the latter. And so PAD and Gage was able to drag him out from that shadow. (I liked Pietro time is Academy). In order for Wanda to be fixed, she just needs to be removed from all that toxicity and the hanging albatross of HOM. But that want happen because some people want their pound of flesh and it the editors of Marvel view that as her most defining thing.

At the end of the day, their is no way that everyone will be pleased about how Marvel handle the HOM fallout. For all the complaints of how the X-men spent a decade mired in misery porn, so did fans of the twins. And there is no way, IMO, that the twins will go back to how things were. Hickman has made that clear. The pound of flesh will be had. And some people will not be happy about how it ends.

That’s what really gets my goat about the whole thing. Allowing Wanda, who is being possessed but thought to be undergoing a mental health crisis, to be murdered by the Avengers and X-Men was supposed to be the right decision. Pietro is seen as a villain for not Fallon in line with it. Wanda even calls herself a coward for not killing herself! It reeks of ableism and it leaves a revolting taste in my mouth.

I don’t know how to interpret your last paragraph. Do you mean the twins are going to be punished in the narrative for HoM? That’s been an ongoing thing for both fans of the twins, and we’ve hated it rather than reveled in the misery. Or do you subscribe to the common theory that the twins are going to be transformed into mutants by the end of ToM?

[Covetous_One]

Not only that, but Wanda was trained in hand to hand combat by Captain America until he was satisfied she could defend herself without her powers. Unless her magic was suppressed and was facing someone of incredible power, I would expect her to fight back instead of running away. Especially against someone who had to strangle her with their own hands. So far, this depiction is insulting but not unexpected. I would dearly love to be prove wrong by the actual issue. Northstar may not know she isn’t all powerful, but he does know that she isn’t a weakling either.

What does Rachel mean by temporal residue? Did someone time travel to get to Wanda (pointing to someone like Kang) or someone used time powers to attack her (someone with powers like Tempo)?

In the panel where you see Wanda running you will also see x-force in Hellfire Gala outfits. Temporal residue is any thing left in the area including all events going on in the area that happened during the Hellfire Gala. Rachel is seeing everything that happened in the area all at once not just what happened to Wanda. So images on top of each other makes it difficult to see clearly.

[teapartyofthedead]

In the panel where you see Wanda running you will also see x-force in Hellfire Gala outfits. Temporal residue is any thing left in the area including all events going on in the area that happened during the Hellfire Gala. Rachel is seeing everything that happened in the area all at once not just what happened to Wanda. So images on top of each other makes it difficult to see clearly.

Ah, thank your for explaining. I couldn’t understand what she meant by that, and how everyone (besides their psychic and verbal chatter) where throwing her off.

[teapartyofthedead]

That is why I think the Northstar point was so important, it was to elevate worries over why something like this would happen to a character as powerful, skilled and well trained as Wanda, adding more to the mystery why this would happen to someone like her, keeping her characters power and skills opin the respect and history they deserve.

Now this was a decent 1st step to help IMO settle down that worries starting to a degree, but more has to go from here.

We need to see where the story takes it from here.

Northstar hanging a lampshade on that point is a small thing to rest my hopes on, but I suppose it’s all we have. Let’s hope they have chosen to thoughtfully address it instead of just hand waving it to make drama happen.

On Defenders comic this week, Doctor Strange used hand to hand combat succesfully. really makes me think
whoeer killed her wasn't someone very strong, they needed to drag her to finish it and she struggle for a while. So it is crazy that she can't fight and use some tricks.

I'm not even sure the writer knows her powers. This looks like a mistake

rachel can go back in time via psychic powers, Rachel couldn't tell who did. It's like the person is cloaked to her powers. So it is someone that have time powers or using a device to mess up with time

It’s pretty insulting, but I guess if all you knew of Wanda was HoM (while discounting the bulk of her existence in the Avengers), then it is an easy mistake to make sense.

[CJStriker]

Northstar hanging a lampshade on that point is a small thing to rest my hopes on, but I suppose it’s all we have. Let’s hope they have chosen to thoughtfully address it instead of just hand waving it to make drama happen.




It’s pretty insulting, but I guess if all you knew of Wanda was HoM (while discounting the bulk of her existence in the Avengers), then it is an easy mistake to make sense.

It is what I call a step in the right respectful to a degree right direction, the hope is it continues on this road and builds from their.

But just giving content that Wanda is supposed to be who she is supposed to be is a 1st right step to have starting hope.