"HEX Be a Lady!" Scarlet Witch/Wanda Maximoff Appreciation 2021

[Daedra]

Let's just all agree Joe Quesada should have been fired long before he could do stuff like this and Sins Past and OMD.

I have no appreciation for any of his meddling “ideas”

[starduck]

Are Jean, Lorna, Kitty and Kurt the only pro Wanda X-men

[GenericUsername]

Always conveniently forgetting Avengers disassembled…… the game of dumping shit on Wanda started long before house of M

I mentioned specifically when they changed the Avengers line up, so no I didn't forget.

I also don't forget all the good stories on that side with Wanda. Which far outweigh the other side. And has nothing to do with 2014.

It also wasn't long before HoM. These stories ran one after another. Wanda was treated relatively well (outside of Byrne) up until 2004.

I don't blame any side for that. I blame the increase in edgy writing.

[GenericUsername]

Are Jean, Lorna, Kitty and Kurt the only pro Wanda X-men

I wouldn't say pro, but they were for resurrection. Probably because they are for second chances. Maybe Kurt is pro. He has reached out to Wanda before on his own. Beast is pro for sure.

[Cruelrain]

Are Jean, Lorna, Kitty and Kurt the only pro Wanda X-men

Jean wasn't in the council so we don't know, her ghost didn't like wanda so probably not a pro wanda lol

[GenericUsername]

The common wisdom that Marvel was purposely suppressing the X-Men when they didn't own the movie rights doesn't really hold up to close scrutiny. For one thing, there has never been much cross promotion between the MCU and the comics, and it's unlikely that any Disney execs are losing sleep over comics that sell 50-100k copies in a good month potentially promoting a rival studio's films, particularly when the content is completely unrelated and the only connection is the X-Men branding, which Fox didn't even bother to use for their last two films Logan and Dark Phoenix. For another, the X-Men have been given a pretty robust line of books and a spot in most of the major crossover events this entire time, sure they don't really sell as well as they used to but that is much more easily explained by the fandom just losing interest. The X-Men had their moment in the 90s and 00s, and even if the Avengers films hadn't come along, people would have just moved on to something else. And it doesn't really help that the writers can't really help themselves from telling the same couple of stories over and over again, are we really supposed to believe that Krakoa is a totally new idea and not similar to Genosha or Utopia in any way? How long before the Phoenix comes back again? And Wolverine, where did he come from?!?

It's unfortunate really because with the success of the Disney+ show, Wanda should really be positioned as one of Marvel's main stars going forward and the comics should be looking for a way to tell interesting new stories about her. Instead she's stuck with this lame X-shaped anchor dragging her down, and while I always appreciate whenever she's back in the classic costume and the artwork certainly looks beautiful, it is a very retrograde depiction of her as this tragic but ultimately helpless victim, to whom stuff just happens to without her having any agency or input of her own.

Yeah narrative slave for sure has done her no favors. Hopefully when this last attempt at redemption is done, they leave it be.

It's time for her to move on.

[Daedra]

Why do you totally ignore the fact that x-office spent years without decision-making power at Marvel? The M-day, the conflict with the Avengers, the toxic terrigen cloud were decisions made by people in a higher position in the company, and the x-editors and writers just had to comply, they had to adapt to those stories. The whole Wanda storyline started with an Avengers writer and the editor-in-chief at the time decided to use that to reduce the number of mutants, I doubt that any x-office writer or editor was happy to have to deal with this mess, but it was their work. And the same thing happened at the time of the Inhumans.

All these years that the X side of Marvel didn't try to solve Decimation it was because they were stuck on repeating the old stories and not creating anything new for the competitor company. I doubt they were allowed to use Wanda, I don't even remember her appearing in an x-book other than Uncanny Avengers that didn't even belong to the x-office. You can repeat the speech that "they are the same company, x-office and avengers office is Marvel" but if someone bigger in the corporate food chain decides to put more emphasis and freedom on one side, the other just has to accept it.

very well said

[Witchfan]

Marvel's Kevin Feige Comments on Avengers 5 Release Date Prospects
https://thedirect.com/article/marvel...Ym6r97bgFi_yF4

Elizabeth Olsen Hints at More Change for Scarlet Witch in Doctor Strange 2
https://movieweb.com/scarlet-witch-c...tor-strange-2/

[MaximoffTrash]

In the end there is still the glaring issue with how Wanda simply doesn't belong in X-franchise, it's literally a strange land with strangers.

[MaximoffTrash]

Always conveniently forgetting Avengers disassembled…… the game of dumping shit on Wanda started long before house of M

It's like 1 year before HoM, also she is treated pretty well during 1998-2004, are you this desperate to wipe this character clean and shove her into X-franchise?

[MaximoffTrash]

The common wisdom that Marvel was purposely suppressing the X-Men when they didn't own the movie rights doesn't really hold up to close scrutiny. For one thing, there has never been much cross promotion between the MCU and the comics, and it's unlikely that any Disney execs are losing sleep over comics that sell 50-100k copies in a good month potentially promoting a rival studio's films, particularly when the content is completely unrelated and the only connection is the X-Men branding, which Fox didn't even bother to use for their last two films Logan and Dark Phoenix. For another, the X-Men have been given a pretty robust line of books and a spot in most of the major crossover events this entire time, sure they don't really sell as well as they used to but that is much more easily explained by the fandom just losing interest. The X-Men had their moment in the 90s and 00s, and even if the Avengers films hadn't come along, people would have just moved on to something else. And it doesn't really help that the writers can't really help themselves from telling the same couple of stories over and over again, are we really supposed to believe that Krakoa is a totally new idea and not similar to Genosha or Utopia in any way? How long before the Phoenix comes back again? And Wolverine, where did he come from?!?

It's unfortunate really because with the success of the Disney+ show, Wanda should really be positioned as one of Marvel's main stars going forward and the comics should be looking for a way to tell interesting new stories about her. Instead she's stuck with this lame X-shaped anchor dragging her down, and while I always appreciate whenever she's back in the classic costume and the artwork certainly looks beautiful, it is a very retrograde depiction of her as this tragic but ultimately helpless victim, to whom stuff just happens to without her having any agency or input of her own.

Wanda in terms of editorial intent is weird.
As an Avenger she is ignored in various other media due to her ties with mutants.
As a pseudo X-character, she simply doesn't have narrative space in X-franchise.

And ultimately it's pretty simple to me, I don't want to see Wanda wasting time in stories I am simply not interested, just like how good dad Magneto and bad dad Magneto are the same when it comes to making her a satellite character.

[leokearon]

Jean wasn't in the council so we don't know, her ghost didn't like wanda so probably not a pro wanda lol

Jean was the only X-man at the discovery of Wanda's body, who was upset. So like Magik didn't even seem to care

[GenericUsername]

Wanda in terms of editorial intent is weird.
As an Avenger she is ignored in various other media due to her ties with mutants.
As a pseudo X-character, she simply doesn't have narrative space in X-franchise.

And ultimately it's pretty simple to me, I don't want to see Wanda wasting time in stories I am simply not interested, just like how good dad Magneto and bad dad Magneto are the same when it comes to making her a satellite character.

Yeah I have zero interest in that drama. I want stories of Wanda with people that care about her. Stories with the Avengers, stories with magic.

[Covetous_One]

Yeah I have zero interest in that drama. I want stories of Wanda with people that care about her. Stories with the Avengers, stories with magic.

Though that’s not how growth works if you are always around people who call you superstar. Wanda can be in drama, but be that person who is a voice of reason and self assured in who she is. I like that Wanda can be that character that no matter if the people she is with will only ever heap dirt on her name she will still help and not bend to anyone and sit proudly on her throne.

[MaximoffTrash]

Though that’s not how growth works if you are always around people who call you superstar. Wanda can be in drama, but be that person who is a voice of reason and self assured in who she is. I like that Wanda can be that character that no matter if the people she is with will only ever heap dirt on her name she will still help and not bend to anyone and sit proudly on her throne.

It's not about her fictional characterization, more about what narrative writers/editorial choose for her.
Sure I believe my favorite hero is a person who would help no matter what, but I don't necessarily need a story to show that aspect of her, especially at cost of my own sanity.
Let's say a character is known for being good-tempered, I adore that about that, still I would rather not see a story specifically about bunch of bastards testing it out on said character.