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    Quote Originally Posted by PwrdOn View Post
    This idea that Wanda committed "genocide" is just another example of Marvel's tortured relationship with science. By definition, "mutants" cannot go extinct because mutation is a universal phenomenon not something restricted to a particular group, and that aspect is kind of key to the entire X-Men story because the implication is that ANYONE could be revealed as a mutant and that despite humanity's best efforts to eradicate them, they are here to stay and must be accepted in the wider society. However, hacky X-men writers tend to treat mutation itself as some kind of heritable trait, and redefine "mutant" as some kind of self-propagating in-group, and continually try to push this idea of an isolated "mutant homeland" as a utopian ideal even though that very much goes against the main message of the books. And ironically, the impulse of Marvel editorial to reduce the number of mutants so that they wouldn't start bleeding into the rest of the comics makes them very much like the villains of their own comics, unwilling to even acknowledge the presence of mutants unless they are shoved into their own little corner.
    The comparison of HoM to actual genocide seems to stem from the continued use of the X-men metaphor as if it were realistic. But mutants can never really be like real minorities. Ironic considering Scarlet Witch is an actual minority, a Romani woman (although she doesn't seem to always be portrayed as one), and experienced real prejudice in her life, unlike Cyclops or Angel.

    Also, the entire concept was just to keep the mutant minority thing going anyway, which is something many fans seem to hold onto, yet seems to the reason for HoM in the first place. Why couldn't Marvel just let mutants grow in number and be happy, and not fight everyone while pretending to be real minorities?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PwrdOn View Post
    This idea that Wanda committed "genocide" is just another example of Marvel's tortured relationship with science. By definition, "mutants" cannot go extinct because mutation is a universal phenomenon not something restricted to a particular group, and that aspect is kind of key to the entire X-Men story because the implication is that ANYONE could be revealed as a mutant and that despite humanity's best efforts to eradicate them, they are here to stay and must be accepted in the wider society. However, hacky X-men writers tend to treat mutation itself as some kind of heritable trait, and redefine "mutant" as some kind of self-propagating in-group, and continually try to push this idea of an isolated "mutant homeland" as a utopian ideal even though that very much goes against the main message of the books. And ironically, the impulse of Marvel editorial to reduce the number of mutants so that they wouldn't start bleeding into the rest of the comics makes them very much like the villains of their own comics, unwilling to even acknowledge the presence of mutants unless they are shoved into their own little corner.
    It's really sad because Marvel had a choice to just not write the mutants they weren't interested in at the time. Millions of them existing in a world of billions still make them a minority. That statement by Quesada always fell flat to me. They should have just said they wanted to create shock porn for controversy, so the story sold more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leokearon View Post
    So did Mastermind
    Yeah that was weird.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GenericUsername View Post
    It's really sad because Marvel had a choice to just not write the mutants they weren't interested in at the time. Millions of them existing in a world of billions still make them a minority. That statement by Quesada always fell flat to me. They should have just said they wanted to create shock porn for controversy, so the story sold more.
    That would require them to be honest...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaximoffTrash View Post
    Well, speaking of Brotherhood, Pietro drinking with the old members feels kinda weird, those days aren't exactly the nicest memories of the twins.
    Toad used to be a creep on Wanda.
    Considering Pietro’s options were 1) the nationwide nigh-orgiastic celebration of his sister’s brutal murder, 2) Lorna and Co looking for any reason they can to let Magneto off the hook or 3) a bunch of jackasses from a dark time in his life who will at least offer a bit of empathy* and respect to the dead

    I don’t mean that any interaction between Wanda and the Brotherhood would be tinged with Nostalgia, more that just every hero has some source/connection from less than stellar period in life they can tap for info/favours, the OG brotherhood is for Wanda.

    ** and I cannot stress enough how messed up it is that Mastermind has a greater sense of empathy these days than some of the people celebrating

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    So I did Read Trail of Magneto #1 about 2 Days ago and have been busy with life so sorry I did not get to this sooner all.

    Also just wanted to say I don't want to consider myself a Reviewer or really want to be as a fan, I just like to go more into my thoughts and ideals of what I got and hope for the story and Wanda more then just a Breakdown of the Comic as a whole.

    I had disscusions with one of My Friends a LCS owner and former Worker at DC Comics just yesterday about our thoughts on the Book and Wanda as a whole in this too and they where pretty interesting.

    I mention to him this interview as well as the thoughts of my fellow fans to it and the book as and whole an I feel it call is a coming filling in circle to what we are witnessing and what to expect so far, but it is import much more so for our Wanda then we might have thought or even theories.

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    https://open.spotify.com/episode/2SCilrqXadq5AlNpMZb480
    Leah Williams interview behind the Trial of Magneto.
    She basically wanted this series to be about healing between Wanda and Mutants. She says she wants this to be an empathy engine for Wanda and it’s not really a Magneto story. She also mentions Chaos Magic as something not tied to Wanda’s mental health, but something positive and empowering.
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    Hopefully now some of her fans will stop being so negative.
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    I hope she comes through on all of that. Wanda should be able to wield chaos magic without issues. It chose her. She is said to be able to form and bend it to her will.
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    I love that she mentions that she bought a custom heart journal dedicated to Wanda and is a Sailor Moon fan. Revealing she is a Wanda sympathizer that wants to rehabilitate Wanda’s relation to chaos magic and mutantdom in a positive and empathetic matter is giving me hope for ToM. Cautious hope, but it’s there. She even recognizes that she had a bias against the Avengers as an X-Men fan, and worked to overcome that to better understand and represent them. Maybe Jericho will show up after all, and marketing just didn’t show him because reasons.

    Or maybe not. But I’m willing to give Leah more credit this time around and hope editorial won’t compromise the key points she’s hoping to accomplish for Wanda.
    I like hearing that about Leah Williams's views of Wanda and what her wants are from this story and for Wanda, it is a story that if they ever had to finally do, that it is the words I have always wanted to hear to bring a final to this unnessary fued.

    With the Interview as well as what I read in the book, as well as the detail the book is going into about the effects Wanda is having on all more then it seem I even thought they go into, combined with the UnReally Amazing Artwork that is being centered on Wanda and with my talk with my LCS owner friend this seems more and more to being a increasing real deal for this to being the begging of the healing point for Wanda and Mutants to long desired in the making for Fans.

    It is an effect in our diccusions of the End of the Copyright Wars for Marvel and FOX, the characters now being under one house of Disney(Thank GOODNESS!), the recent mega push of the X-Men in the Comics, the teases of the MCU of Mutants and espically how MAJOR Big Wanda has become thanks to the show.

    Yea, that it took all of this for Marvel to finally push and maybe end this fued this long is inexcusable by all lenghts of thought and considereation, they will always have to answer for that bad faith writing and treatment IMO.

    But for the very least their seems to be Hope Like a Sun slowly rising threw a very long and dark storm of the Night.

    The Book gave me more ideals of this going to a Very interesting and unique ideals of a place I am not certain of yet at all, it seems bigger then just a Trial of Magneto, but a Journey of Wanda that shows like we knew Death is not Death in Marvel but a new plan of power, journey and rebirth that seems logical for our Magcial Lady.

    I have hope for this story, but will like all keep my eye open for any faults or failings coming in any form.

    But the more I discuss, read and wonder the more I have desire to see what this will bring threw.

    Yea much was not fully nessary, like her death, how long this took or the mistreament of Wanda for this long, I have also hear of Characters being OOC in this book at times, but I don't know enought of all the charcters to know enought on that so forgive me for not mentioning who or that impact cause I just don't know in that regards.

    But besides that I am glad to be reading this, I have more hope, Caution in Opitmius for this story and I am hoping it brings more to others too for my fellow Fans and Friends and My Fellow X-Fans as well.

    Lets see what happens, but so far with my talks their is growing beggining excitment and hope so far, lets see together!
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    Quote Originally Posted by king of hybrids View Post
    Considering Pietro’s options were 1) the nationwide nigh-orgiastic celebration of his sister’s brutal murder, 2) Lorna and Co looking for any reason they can to let Magneto off the hook or 3) a bunch of jackasses from a dark time in his life who will at least offer a bit of empathy* and respect to the dead

    I don’t mean that any interaction between Wanda and the Brotherhood would be tinged with Nostalgia, more that just every hero has some source/connection from less than stellar period in life they can tap for info/favours, the OG brotherhood is for Wanda.

    ** and I cannot stress enough how messed up it is that Mastermind has a greater sense of empathy these days than some of the people celebrating
    It also amazing that the Man who was responsible for Dark Phoenix and the death of 5 billion people seems to have more respect that Wanda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leokearon View Post
    It also amazing that the Man who was responsible for Dark Phoenix and the death of 5 billion people seems to have more respect that Wanda.
    Why do the X-Men excuse the villains on their side?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mik View Post
    Why do the X-Men excuse the villains on their side?
    They have an X-gene

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mik View Post
    Why do the X-Men excuse the villains on their side?
    Because it's better to dance with the devil than extinction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mik View Post
    Why do the X-Men excuse the villains on their side?
    Identitarism. It makes people look another way when one of us do something wrong

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    That would require them to be honest...
    And some courage. Brevoort still doubles don on OMD
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    Quote Originally Posted by king of hybrids View Post
    They have an X-gene
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    Because it's better to dance with the devil than extinction.
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    Identitarism. It makes people look another way when one of us do something wrong
    So, basically tribalism. But haven't those X-villains been responsible for the actual deaths of mutants?

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    WandaVision's Elizabeth Olsen Addresses Scarlett Johansson's Black Widow Lawsuit
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
    Because it's better to dance with the devil than extinction.
    I mean which of them have been necessary for Krakoa.
    Magneto I get,not really a villain.Sinsiter is necessary.
    But someone like shaw?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiderfan001 View Post
    I mean which of them have been necessary for Krakoa.
    Magneto I get,not really a villain.Sinsiter is necessary.
    But someone like shaw?
    I haven't kept up with it so I'm not sure which villains are there. But it's hard to believe any of these guys are absolutely necessary.

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