Shang-Chi Appreciation 2021

[CosmiComic]

If this version of the Mandarin is more dependent on the rings, and not *also* a top-tier martial artist, and scientist, and mystic, and businessman, and possibly really good at celebrity show cooking and a master of the fandango, Shang might be able to use the same sort of evasive techniques a movie martial artist would use against a nut with a gun. The rings are, more or less, just a really amazing set of guns, shooting fire, ice, lasers, lightning, spinny vortexes, hypno-beams, etc.

It would make for something quite different than the usual martial arts movie climactic end fight, with everyone kung fu fighting, having Shang be the martial arts master, using more ground 'realistic' (ish) fighting techniques and the Mandarin being all pew pew, lazors, over-relying on his rings to win the fight, and the end message being something, something Shang and discipline and training and skill and heart overcomes alien jewelry and sheer arrogance.

It could be super-cool, with lots of different ring effects coming out, and Shang having to evade or deal with whatever complications arise. Mandarin negates light with the darkforce ring, and Shang demonstrates the skill to blind-fight, for instance. Mandarin creates a paralyzing fog of gas with the matter rearranger ring (which could do all sorts of crazy ****, but paralyzing 'nerve gas' seems to be his favorite), Shang holds his breath and seizes some ornamental war fans off the wall and blows the cloud away while fighting with them. Mandarin creates a slippery coating of ice on the floor with the ice ring, and Shang leaps atop a nearby table and 'walks' along the walls and tops of statues and whatever in the room, avoiding the slippery floor and kicking the Mandarin on the way by. Showy over the top stuff like that.

Or it could end like every other martial arts movie, with two dudes punching and kicking each other, which would be fine too. Gotta respect the classics.

Interesting. I think Mandarin depending mostly on the rings could give Shang an advantage, although I think Mandarin in the comics is also a competent martial artist. I suspect Shang will technically be powerless but summon some kind of mystical power to win the battle.

or, what if he totally loses! A first for a solo MCU movie. That could definitely set it apart

[Bolo]

Did Lewis Tan audition for the lead role of Iron Fist?

I can see Tan being more "classically handsome" according to White standards of beauty, but IMO Asian guys shouldn't have to conform to them. Of course, it helps to have multiple Asian male heroes so they can have different types of appearances.

I've not seen Simu Liu in any martial arts role, so I personally can't compare him to Tan on that front

Yes he have tried to have the role of Iron Fist, he has more or less blamed Marvel tv for not to be open for asian peoples with this audition.

For the physical difference, yes in some way Asians in Asia, and in this case that Chinese peoples from China, seem want more an "Eurasian" type, the classical pretty boy or man, with delicated features etc...I honestly don't think it was Simu lack of charm the problem, I think it's more how peoples see the traditional heroes in Wu Xia/Martial arts; someone who don't smile alot, a little cold; the silent fighter etc...Simu seem very warm; always smiling with lot of humors, weirdly if he would have been chosen to play Namor or Sunfire, I think that would have been less a problem; despite that Namor or Sunfire are not supposed to be less handsome than Shang Chi; the more I think about this incident, the more I think it's just some peoples who don't have necessary the good words for express their choices of what a hero is supposed to look like.

Now my choice for Lewis Tan is more because he seem closer to Shang Chi (he would be amazing for the Cat too), Lewis seem have more experience in this kind of role, for the fighting ability of Simu, he seem very good physically, but I wonder if it would be enough.

Except that we have others pictures of toys and their box with mores details of their costumes, but the story too, be careful spoilers:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eyjfg_OX...jpg&name=large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EyjfiJIX...jpg&name=large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eyj07XJX...jpg&name=large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eyj06NFW...jpg&name=large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eyj48nrX...jpg&name=large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eyj49r9X...jpg&name=large

[CosmiComic]

Yes he have tried to have the role of Iron Fist, he has more or less blamed Marvel tv for not to be open for asian peoples with this audition.

For the physical difference, yes in some way Asians in Asia, and in this case that Chinese peoples from China, seem want more an "Eurasian" type, the classical pretty boy or man, with delicated features etc...I honestly don't think it was Simu lack of charm the problem, I think it's more how peoples see the traditional heroes in Wu Xia/Martial arts; someone who don't smile alot, a little cold; the silent fighter etc...Simu seem very warm; always smiling with lot of humors, weirdly if he would have been chosen to play Namor or Sunfire, I think that would have been less a problem; despite that Namor or Sunfire are not supposed to be less handsome than Shang Chi; the more I think about this incident, the more I think it's just some peoples who don't have necessary the good words for express their choices of what a hero is supposed to look like.

Now my choice for Lewis Tan is more because he seem closer to Shang Chi (he would be amazing for the Cat too), Lewis seem have more experience in this kind of role, for the fighting ability of Simu, he seem very good physically, but I wonder if it would be enough.

Except that we have others pictures of toys and their box with mores details of their costumes, but the story too, be careful spoilers:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eyjfg_OX...jpg&name=large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EyjfiJIX...jpg&name=large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eyj07XJX...jpg&name=large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eyj06NFW...jpg&name=large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eyj48nrX...jpg&name=large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eyj49r9X...jpg&name=large

For me, Eurocentric beauty standards of men are problematic, especially in American media, where men are expected to look "rough" in order to be considered handsome. And I don't mean to stereotype Asian cultures, but they seem to be more open to men being "delicate," and I can see why many would be resistant to seeing a male hero of Asian descent conform to Hollywood's standards. I feel it would send a good message for future Asian Marvel heroes to not condone this kind of stereotyping. Although frankly the whole concept of handsome doesn't really make any logical sense in any culture to me.

As for Lewis Tan, I've seen him in a few martial arts projects, so I think he could be a good fit. I know Iron Fist is traditionally a White American but he's based on East Asian cultures, so I don't think Marvel should've been opposed to an Asian-descended actor in that role.

Also, mandarin is Wenwu, I think. Is he now Shang's father?

[Bolo]

For me, Eurocentric beauty standards of men are problematic, especially in American media, where men are expected to look "rough" in order to be considered handsome. And I don't mean to stereotype Asian cultures, but they seem to be more open to men being "delicate," and I can see why many would be resistant to seeing a male hero of Asian descent conform to Hollywood's standards. I feel it would send a good message for future Asian Marvel heroes to not condone this kind of stereotyping. Although frankly the whole concept of handsome doesn't really make any logical sense in any culture to me.

As for Lewis Tan, I've seen him in a few martial arts projects, so I think he could be a good fit. I know Iron Fist is traditionally a White American but he's based on East Asian cultures, so I don't think Marvel should've been opposed to an Asian-descended actor in that role.

Also, mandarin is Wenwu, I think. Is he now Shang's father?

In this case it was more the Chinese audience who are not open enough for the rough style facial, I think in USA they were already popular delicate feature actors like Dicaprio or Johnny Depp, but in China when it's not in this standard (delicate), that the main reason they seem against Simu Liu.

For Lewis Tan, that could be his own interpration of the casting, maybe he have guessed that for the lack of talent of Finn Jones for the role; For Wenwu according the toy be careful SPOILER: He is Shang Chi father, Marvel seem to have mixed the two, Mandarin and Fu Man Chu/Zhen Zhu.

For the Mandarin costume from the toys, I don't know but that remind the Donnie Yen costume in Blade 2 (and the Mandarin 80's costumes); other pictures:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ey05gq2X...pg&name=medium

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ey05gq5W...pg&name=medium

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ey05gq4W...pg&name=medium

Donnie in Blade 2:

http://hongkongaction.free.fr/pix/ph...ieblade230.jpg

[CosmiComic]

In this case it was more the Chinese audience who are not open enough for the rough style facial, I think in USA they were already popular delicate feature actors like Dicaprio or Johnny Depp, but in China when it's not in this standard (delicate), that the main reason they seem against Simu Liu.

For Lewis Tan, that could be his own interpration of the casting, maybe he have guessed that for the lack of talent of Finn Jones for the role; For Wenwu according the toy be careful SPOILER: He is Shang Chi father, Marvel seem to have mixed the two, Mandarin and Fu Man Chu/Zhen Zhu.

For the Mandarin costume from the toys, I don't know but that remind the Donnie Yen costume in Blade 2 (and the Mandarin 80's costumes); other pictures:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ey05gq2X...pg&name=medium

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ey05gq5W...pg&name=medium

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ey05gq4W...pg&name=medium

Donnie in Blade 2:

http://hongkongaction.free.fr/pix/ph...ieblade230.jpg

Well, I think Hollywood still stereotypes "soft" men as unmanly, but no culture's beauty standards are necessarily good IMO. From what I've seen, Asian countries have their own problems too (colorism for one). I don't see how Simu Liu is a "rough" looking guy though.

As for Wenwu, that could be more of a battle uniform. Mandarin's comic book design is fairly stereotypical, so I can see Marvel wanting to avoid that, but he could still get some kind of regal dress outfit

[Blind Wedjat]

Teaser poster has arrived! Trailer in a few weeks!

[Cruelrain]

movie stills

I'm looking forward to it!

[Blind Wedjat]

New article plus stills!

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Trailer Out!

[Blind Wedjat]

Wake up, Tien Long my brother! Lol.

[CosmiComic]

Is that music from the movie, or elsewhere?

[Cruelrain]

it looks so good! can't wait to see it

[Immortal Hulk]

Everything about this traiiler is beautiful and badass. Welcome to the MCU, Shang Chi; it's greatest fighter!

[CosmiComic]

I didn't expect some of the more "epic" stuff to be in there, or even in this movie tbh

[CTTT]

Yeah I enjoyed the epic battle stuff in there and it looks like the cinematography is going for a different style compared to other MCU movies up to this point. I felt like this teaser showcased more of the martial arts more than the powers of Shang-Chi. Guess they're saving those for a later trailer.