I was hoping that the Doom solo would have lasted longer. It was promoted as a solo and then things changed during the pandemic. First of all, it didn't come back right away, not until September IIRC. Cantwell had already written the conclusion with the Antlion story and had the next arc planned that would be inspired by the Amadeus movie. Doom has a stroke and while he is somewhat incapacitated and recovering,he hires a composer to write an opera about the glorious history of Latveria, which is to say it will be about him.
I really think Marvel is overdue in putting together a mini that revisits SVTU featuring them. Maybe if Namor is going to be appearing in the MCU that would be a good time for it because at some point they have to introduce Doom also. It's just not clear when.
That's what I picked up anyway from reading the GOTG appreciation thread. The output of the comic was getting spotty. I think sometime before Doom started appearing, the title skipped a month without explanation. Then when it didn't appear in the advance solicitations for October onward they knew this run was over. The last arc features Dormammu as the big bad but the ending read like it was very rushed IMO. Dormammu was practically wallpaper.
But with the third movie on the MCU docket you can bet there will be a GOTG relaunch, probably with a new creative team.
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They snapped up Cantwell for that Iron Man ongoing and I'm still mad about that to be honest, I would have died to see the second year of a Doom series. I just wish Marvel had more faith and gave more time for characters like Namor and Doom who are very morally grey to have their own books or a team up.
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Did I read correctly that there are only just over 11,000 Atlanteans? Is that right?
I would have assumed for an underwater race that have been around for a very long time that they'd be mullions of them.
And if there are 11,000 Atlanteans are they all in 1 city so the rest of the ocean is an Atlantean free zone?
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As I said before, I don't think Aaron knows anything about Namor or Atlantis and simply pulled the number out of his ... nether parts without thinking about it. He does say Atlanteans, not Homo Mermanus, so perhaps he's only talking about people living in that city. Though, again, that's a ridiculously small number -- smaller than most rural county seats in the US. That's like 1/10th of a football stadium. The ancient Roman Colosseum could hold 50,000, so those pages are drawn all wrong. Most of the seats would be empty if that was the population of Atlantis.
Off the top of my head, besides Atlantis, there is Oceanus, several colonies, a few outposts, a few hidden cities, some nomads, a few enemy enclaves (like Attuma's barbarians), and some places that may or may not be abandoned like Maritanis, Deluvia, etc. And of course, there's Lemuria. All of these count as populated by homo meranus, and they certainly make up more than 2% of the population. Unless, of course, they were never recreated after Secret Wars -- something I doubt, considering how ticked off Namor would be about that.
Although, given that the ONLY plotline most modern writers have for Atlantis and Namor is to destroy Atlantis, I imagine the surface world is doing an excellent job on eradicating Atlanteans.
There's plenty of areas on land that rulers and governments claim to rule that aren't populated. And lets not forget the coastal waters that countries claim. The issue I have with Namor's claim is that Lemuria probably has something to say about that percentage. ;p Of course, I don't think Lemuria has a functioning government right now, so I guess Namor's claim is uncontested. ;p
There's also this page from Matt Fraction's Defenders #5 which tries to explain how things work in Atlantis. Though not quite, as is later shown in this issue.
Agreed, but not to that small number, I would think.
Namor the Sub-Mariner, Marvel's oldest character, will have been published for 85 years in 2024. So where's my GOOD Namor anniversary ongoing, Marvel?
Aaron 100% knows nothing of Namor's character nor Sub-Mariner Lore and it's very evident in his writing, I would say to ignore everything coming out from this Avengers run in it's entirety. Putting a limit on Atlanteans is stupid and does nothing except show that he wantd to put a body count that She-Hulk would be saving. Besides as Rev said there are multiple cities, outposts, villages, people of the sea, not just Atlanteans, there are Lemurians, Chasm Folk, Trench People, Sirenas, not to mention the monsters and mermaids and faceless ones.
Aaron has done everything in his power to turn Namor into a tool to be used for his plots with no consideration for the character while also killing off every bit of good characterization he could. I cannot wait until Namor is out of his hands and I never have to read about "Namor liking killing sharks and lying to his mother and never crying and being power hungry" again.
I would say the only thing left is NamorSue drama but I just remembered that awful panel where Reed has to question Sue's loyalty for calling Namor in to help during the King in Black event but that was written by Cates.
"No one should ever question where my allegiance lies." - Namor of Atlantis
While there could be some areas where its an undersea "desert" as in not enough food to populate the area, as in real life, does it really make any sense for a fantasy character? They have literally shown they can make their own coral reefs, they know how the sea works and how to survive in it. So this whole, "there is a limited population of Atlanteans" still makes no sense. Once again perhaps Atlanteans have low birth rates, they live a long time, and of course destruction would have killed off a lot of the people but in any case does it matter when the next writer is just gonna come along and use Namor's people as a disposable army even though at this point, with the amount of fighting that they were in engaged in, there wouldn't be any fighting men and women left.
This explanation is as simple and effective as one could hope for a sea king, Namor doesn't need to control all of his people, he is there to dispense justice and uphold royal law and the people's law. He is a protector not a tyrant. I wish people would stop trying to line up Atlanteans and Namor's mortality with surface people, the sea is a very harsh place to live and it requires different rules.
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Namor the Sub-Mariner, Marvel's oldest character, will have been published for 85 years in 2024. So where's my GOOD Namor anniversary ongoing, Marvel?