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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormy View Post
    Ororo's powers have always been reduced compared to Jean, which ends up being very annoying, and giving the impression that she is weak compared to Jean. (That's if you're not looking to know the true powers of Ororo)

    And frankly, I respect your opinion, but I don't see two as equal, Storm is a Goddess, she can and should have done above the planetarium, but as usual writers are too lazy to write it.



    I'm talking about the first day I saw you here on this forum, when you came to defend Jean, but then this was all just an act so make a difference about the ability of the Storm's powers. power on a planetary level, something like that), then tried to set a trap, at what cost? Ororo already has many trolls in its fambase, who claim to be a fan but end up making fun of her, some even think she shouldn't be omega, Goddess (By the way, I'm not talking about anyone here, it's an experience I had) I'm from one place that always has to prove Storm's skills.



    Well, I already answered about that, maybe I made a bad impression of you, from the first day I saw you in this forum, because I also saw some of your very hypocritical attitudes, I mentioned your name, because I'm not one to send hints, and to you know that I'm talking about you.. Eita
    stormy you hitting this out the park!!! beautiful response.

    a mutant woman is not EQUAL to a mutant goddess no matter how much you try and spin it.

    also, people can be disagreeable and not make things personal. its good we storm fans understand the difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The92Ghost View Post
    At least she is back with her old costume. THANK GOD! I can't stand the new one...

    And another day, another argument. I do blame this one on butterflyks and Mercury once more. Why would you even raise the fact that Jean is racist... from decades ago like seriously... don't you guys have anything else to do but to badmouth a character. And Mercury once more coming into a Storm Appreciation thread and dropping a bomb and starting yet another argument. Didn't you realize that no matter what you say if you are in a Storm appreciation thread the appreciation will go for Storm and not for Jean.... like seriously? You guys keep going over the same recycled sh*t like the X-Office and their recycled stories.

    We need more positivity here, no need for all that negativity regardless if it is for Storm or any other hero like Jean.
    by the goddess. if you're going to cast "blame" at least know how this discussion started. I was celebrating shuri and ororo being true sisters after the annihilation issue dropped and someone alluded to that not being the case and it being Jean. i responded by saying a sister wouldn't harbor such thoughts as Jean did.

    whether you like it or not or wish to say it happened long ago are all irrelevant.
    Jean saw ororo as a slave woman and for that its why I dont see them as sisters in the manner some do. at the end of the day the events are canon, Jean never apologized or explained why she had such thoughts and delineating this in context on why I don't qualify them as sisters it isn't bashing a character; its just stating facts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devaishwarya View Post
    Well...not calling the X-Office (which has a history of putting Storm first and using other minority characters foremost for decades under Claremont and others) racist, would be a good start.

    Recognising that other characters of colour such as Tempo, Synch, Kwannon, Manifold, Sunfire who've been given their moments to grow and shine...as Storm with a major upgrade in both power and status...even if she's not driving all the stories in which she appears, front and centre...would seem to indicate that they're not in fact racist.

    Most times, decisions to put certain characters front and centre are based on story/writer preference or editorial mandate as with Wolverine, which is their creative right, and which doesn't make them racist for not preferring a minority character.

    Right now...we readers have absolutely no power in the decision-making as to which characters are being used and which aren't. Because Marvel isn't paying any of us to give input. So...By all means vote with your wallet as that is the only true influence we do have (nobody takes Twatter tirades seriously...absolutely nobody). And continue to recognise the efforts that are actually being made, even if some of us think it could better.

    I don't have an issue with certain fans decrying the poor and ill-use of their favourite characters...every character at some point in the entire history of comics has undergone that, some more than once, in different eras. What I find egregious is calling them out for being racist which is a damning accusation on all counts yet still you support and buy their books, eventhough evidence would clearly suggest otherwise.
    So you're in denial that there's any issue of race or racism with X-books or x-offices and think that fans of color should be grateful because by your estimation black and brown characters have been treated fantastically. also fans of color need to keeping pouring money into books that don't represent them because maybe editorial will finally take notice. You're a moron...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwatson View Post
    Thanks appreciate it.

    How it ended up.
    a royal dance I love it!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Baby_Hater666 View Post
    The x-offices have always been and continue to be deeply racist. Storm is just a token. Ewing was fine on Ultimates but wrote Monica like a moron with no interest in understanding her powers. I have zero faith Storm will do anything. They turned Monet into her penance form because of course, Bishop does nothing and neither does any other character of color. I'm over it.
    I think a case can be made here especially regarding ororo being a token for many years. I've said it before and will say it again diversity is very important and though the xmen have taken some positive steps the fact that many of the stories center around the white characters demonstrate we still have a very long way to go.
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    I've had it with white fans trying to shutdown any discussions of race or racism as they pertain to Storm and Jean because it makes them uncomfortable. The pearl clutching is completely over the top.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mercury View Post
    I've never said nor implied that I am "Storm's best fan." What a ludicrous thing to claim I am suggesting or to for anyone to even consider saying about oneself, lol. However, she is one of my favorite characters, and I have both praised and defended her on these boards, contrary to the claims of some. It truly is a shame that I cannot participate in this thread as often as I would like due to this compulsive and rather obsessive need of a very few to drag my favorite character through the mud with claims based on biases, contortions, and one-sided vendettas.

    EDIT: Also, I was somewhat shocked and saddened by the fact that a few people on Twitter seem to know about a particular poster on here who is prone to not only bashing Jean and her fans but also other characters and their fans. They find said poster "strange." Unfortunately, I cannot say that I disagree...





    Until I see Storm fans going in to Jean's appreciation thread to hijack it cause someone in there said something about Storm that we don't like, this entire post is rendered null and void. Please, have some class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baby_Hater666 View Post
    I've had it with white fans trying to shutdown any discussions of race or racism as they pertain to Storm and Jean because it makes them uncomfortable. The pearl clutching is completely over the top.
    I won't presume to know a posters race because if I'm being frank I've had similar arguments with people who I knew were black. that said, we wouldn't be fully appreciating storm as a character if we didn't acknowledge the various factors that have impacted the character, including the good and the bad and everything in-between.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosa Snarks View Post
    Until I see Storm fans going in to Jean's appreciation thread to hijack it cause someone in there said something about Storm that we don't like, this entire post is rendered null and void. Please, have some class.
    why are you always staying facts so beautifully?!?
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    I'm Black, by the way.
    My Summer rain. My rooftop in Japan. My quiet in the storm. *cries* Al Ewing is GOD...Praise His name! Uplift Him in song! Glorify His works!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormy View Post
    lmao, you're not the only one who thinks that way, I have a friend who doesn't really like the fact that Ororo is always wearing her evening gown, because it's very glamorous..
    Trust me I am so over this costume... it is too much and so unfit for battle...

    Quote Originally Posted by twisted sun View Post
    I like both and hopes she goes back and forth - one for battle and the other for diplomacy.


    OAN: can we PLEASE stop the back and forth....make an arguments thread go to rumbles I don't care but all of this back and forth and the negative energy brings the thread down. Can't we just appreciate a character in their appreciation thread?
    Glad to see one more person that agrees with me. We don't need negativity here. Is this an appreciation thread or what?

    Quote Originally Posted by butterflykyss View Post
    by the goddess. if you're going to cast "blame" at least know how this discussion started. I was celebrating shuri and ororo being true sisters after the annihilation issue dropped and someone alluded to that not being the case and it being Jean. i responded by saying a sister wouldn't harbor such thoughts as Jean did.

    whether you like it or not or wish to say it happened long ago are all irrelevant.
    Jean saw ororo as a slave woman and for that its why I dont see them as sisters in the manner some do. at the end of the day the events are canon, Jean never apologized or explained why she had such thoughts and delineating this in context on why I don't qualify them as sisters it isn't bashing a character; its just stating facts.
    It is irrelevant. You can't bring something that happens decades ago into an appreciation thread and claiming that this character has harboured dark thoughts for Storm, considering that the story clearly states that she didn't remember her friends and clearly states that she was under someone's control. Clearly, you don't know how mind control works. I rarely enter into arguments with you but when you are WRONG, you are WRONG.

    You can't twist facts and bring stuff like that in an appreciation thread and expect no one from the Jean thread to not respond, especially Mercury. Therefore, creating several pages of unwanted drama and argument instead of concentrating on Storm's appreciation.

    And no, I do not care who started it. I care who stirs it up. And you are stirring it up and that is not okay.

    Answer me directly, WHY BRING SOMETHING LIKE THAT in this thread on top of that calling another fan beloved character? There are tons of other characters who have been racists in the comics and you had to put it on, Jean? Why? Do you hate her? Do you dislike her? Do you think that Storm is more important than her? And no don't twist my words. You are fully aware of what I am saying.

    Each character in the Marvel Universe is important and each character has its fanbase, especially a character like Jean Grey. If you wanted to point fingers you could have literally picked any other character but no you picked Jean, yet again. I don't know what your personal problem is with Jean and trust me, I am not a fan of Jean either but when you stir up one fanbase for another it is not okay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The92Ghost View Post
    Trust me I am so over this costume... it is too much and so unfit for battle...



    Glad to see one more person that agrees with me. We don't need negativity here. Is this an appreciation thread or what?



    It is irrelevant. You can't bring something that happens decades ago into an appreciation thread and claiming that this character has harboured dark thoughts for Storm, considering that the story clearly states that she didn't remember her friends and clearly states that she was under someone's control. Clearly, you don't know how mind control works. I rarely enter into arguments with you but when you are WRONG, you are WRONG.

    You can't twist facts and bring stuff like that in an appreciation thread and expect no one from the Jean thread to not respond, especially Mercury. Therefore, creating several pages of unwanted drama and argument instead of concentrating on Storm's appreciation.

    And no, I do not care who started it. I care who stirs it up. And you are stirring it up and that is not okay.

    Answer me directly, WHY BRING SOMETHING LIKE THAT in this thread on top of that calling another fan beloved character? There are tons of other characters who have been racists in the comics and you had to put it on, Jean? Why? Do you hate her? Do you dislike her? Do you think that Storm is more important than her? And no don't twist my words. You are fully aware of what I am saying.

    Each character in the Marvel Universe is important and each character has its fanbase, especially a character like Jean Grey. If you wanted to point fingers you could have literally picked any other character but no you picked Jean, yet again. I don't know what your personal problem is with Jean and trust me, I am not a fan of Jean either but when you stir up one fanbase for another it is not okay.



    Mastermind says these are Jean's innermost desires and needs. If we are to conclude that it wasn't directed at ororo that is a bigger problem because within her is a desire to see black people as slaves. SO its not twisting facts. Its calling it what it is without trying to justify the unjustifiable. Also Mastermind doesn't control minds, he creates illusions so how about before you try to clue me in on the mechanics of fictional powers perhaps know what you're talking about first, OK.

    You give me much more power than I have in this forum. I can't control what posters say or do. So if I post something that upsets someone so much so that admittedly confessed to coming into Storms thread to troll and bait the users here that is not my problem and a reflection on that user(s). Clearly you don't understand how individuality or free will works.

    Nor do I care about you saying what is not okay. Works both ways. See how that works?

    Beloved clearly you must be living in an alternate reality to think I have to respond to you directly about anything. I dont owe you or anyone else for that matter a reason for my thoughts. Go read up on individuality and free will when you can.

    You knowing what my issues are or not is irrelevant don't you worry your pretty little head over it. At your request I do not wish to further stir up discussions that distracts from what matters most here and its not Jean. However, just know I'm going to speak my mind and respectfully so. I'm not going to attack people regardless of them not doing the same and i won't filter my thoughts around canonical events due to fanbases' insecurities. They can see a therapist for that it has nothing to do with me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devaishwarya View Post
    Well...not calling the X-Office (which has a history of putting Storm first and using other minority characters foremost for decades under Claremont and others) racist, would be a good start.

    Recognising that other characters of colour such as Tempo, Synch, Kwannon, Manifold, Sunfire who've been given their moments to grow and shine...as Storm with a major upgrade in both power and status...even if she's not driving all the stories in which she appears, front and centre...would seem to indicate that they're not in fact racist.

    Most times, decisions to put certain characters front and centre are based on story/writer preference or editorial mandate as with Wolverine, which is their creative right, and which doesn't make them racist for not preferring a minority character.

    Right now...we readers have absolutely no power in the decision-making as to which characters are being used and which aren't. Because Marvel isn't paying any of us to give input. So...By all means vote with your wallet as that is the only true influence we do have (nobody takes Twatter tirades seriously...absolutely nobody). And continue to recognise the efforts that are actually being made, even if some of us think it could better.

    I don't have an issue with certain fans decrying the poor and ill-use of their favourite characters...every character at some point in the entire history of comics has undergone that, some more than once, in different eras. What I find egregious is calling them out for being racist which is a damning accusation on all counts yet still you support and buy their books, eventhough evidence would clearly suggest otherwise.
    Look, I partially agree with what you said, although I find Marvel Comics problematic (especially the movies where it's more resonant), but they treat non-white characters as a second choice, support characters than most white characters, this is extremely horrible.

    If I don't consume elements where there's some character, non-white cast highlighted, that will lower their rating, but for example give Cable another book, where Storm might as well be in her place, why put him? Even though I like Wolverine, I think it's highly overrated that he wins a lot of titles (Yes, I know he's popular and sells), and now they've put his name on what seems to be Krakoa's newest saga.

    It's rare to see them giving opportunity to black characters among others to be the highlight of any title, but expect that much of the X-Office office will be white men.

    Yeah, every character goes through a rough patch, but what I really feel about Marvel is that they use these black characters, to profit from what they really appreciate, rather than like, ****, why don't they let Coates write one. book about Storm? Why do they just immerse themselves in the Gray-Summers family, Magneto, instead of also exploring Storm's origins? It's these little things that happen that, like it or not, end up discouraging, in addition to the fact that there are some X-office bosses who don't like Ororo very much.

    Quote Originally Posted by twisted sun View Post
    I like both and hopes she goes back and forth - one for battle and the other for diplomacy.


    OAN: can we PLEASE stop the back and forth....make an arguments thread go to rumbles I don't care but all of this back and forth and the negative energy brings the thread down. Can't we just appreciate a character in their appreciation thread?
    You're absolutely right, I think this Gala costume is very beautiful, for political occasions, business, and in combat situations she should wear her old uniform, or maybe a new one, but it's not like she cares too much about it..

    Quote Originally Posted by The92Ghost View Post
    Trust me I am so over this costume... it is too much and so unfit for battle.
    I would love if they adapted this costume here, by Black Panther (1998), I think it's beautiful!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosa Snarks View Post
    Until I see Storm fans going in to Jean's appreciation thread to hijack it cause someone in there said something about Storm that we don't like, this entire post is rendered null and void. Please, have some class.
    Firstly, neither I nor anyone else on this forum has to answer to you. Secondly, this is neither your nor anyone else's personal thread. Thirdly, and most importantly, I long ago apologized for coming in here the first time to defend Jean regarding insipid feats and I didn't post again until yesterday after I was alerted that these baseless claims of Jean being a racist were being bandied about again. This isn't just about accusing a fictional character of being racist. This is about implying that those fans and supporters of this character are either okay with her being a racist or racist themselves. That is not okay. And I'm sorry, but I won't tolerate it.

    Maybe you should ask your friend to stop bringing up Jean in a thread dedicated to Storm, especially if the intent is to shame users who have a positive view or opinion about the character and the established decades-long relationship she has with the character that is the topic of this discussion.

    Quote Originally Posted by The92Ghost View Post
    It is irrelevant. You can't bring something that happens decades ago into an appreciation thread and claiming that this character has harboured dark thoughts for Storm, considering that the story clearly states that she didn't remember her friends and clearly states that she was under someone's control. Clearly, you don't know how mind control works. I rarely enter into arguments with you but when you are WRONG, you are WRONG.

    You can't twist facts and bring stuff like that in an appreciation thread and expect no one from the Jean thread to not respond, especially Mercury. Therefore, creating several pages of unwanted drama and argument instead of concentrating on Storm's appreciation.

    And no, I do not care who started it. I care who stirs it up. And you are stirring it up and that is not okay.

    Answer me directly, WHY BRING SOMETHING LIKE THAT in this thread on top of that calling another fan beloved character? There are tons of other characters who have been racists in the comics and you had to put it on, Jean? Why? Do you hate her? Do you dislike her? Do you think that Storm is more important than her? And no don't twist my words. You are fully aware of what I am saying.

    Each character in the Marvel Universe is important and each character has its fanbase, especially a character like Jean Grey. If you wanted to point fingers you could have literally picked any other character but no you picked Jean, yet again. I don't know what your personal problem is with Jean and trust me, I am not a fan of Jean either but when you stir up one fanbase for another it is not okay.
    Thank you for being objective about this and for, at the very least, attempting to see things from my perspective. I appreciate it more than I can properly express at the moment.

    I think I said everything I had to say about these baseless and insidious claims:

    Quote Originally Posted by Mercury View Post
    Claremont never specifies which of Jean's "innermost forbidden needs and desires" Mastermind is manipulating nor with which he is presenting her. What Claremont does make clear, however, is that Mastermind, with the help of Emma Frost, is able to not only control what Jean sees but also what she thinks, feels, and believes. As Scott notes in the panel below, "This 'ancestor' – Lady Jean Grey, wife of Sir Jason Wyngarde – knows nothing of the X-Men. Her allegiance is to the Hellfire Club. If they ask her to kill us… I've a nasty feeling she'll do it without a second thought." The villain of the piece making the heroin completely forget who she is, who her friends and family are, and even where and when she is from seems like a monumental aspect of this story to overlook.



    Jean "knows nothing" of people she has known for years, some for decades, and that she literally grew up with, yet is somehow acting totally on her "innermost forbidden needs and desires?" If the implication is that she has always harbored racist feelings, why stop there? Based on the setup, one can suppose that she must have always had a need and desire to fall in love and be intimate with Mastermind, forget not just her close friends and romantic partner, but her entire life, including her family, identity, and the era into which she was born. One can also assume that she always had a need and desire to live in the antebellum 18th century as a black cape-, bodice-, and panty-wearing woman.

    This begs the question, though: If Mastermind was simply giving Jean her "innermost forbidden needs and desires" and not influencing and even controlling those needs and desires, why would he require the use of such illusions and severe mind control? After all, when Jean finally breaks from his hold on her, he ponders, "She must have broken my control, but how?"



    It is clear that what Mastermind was tapping into and giving Jean was a manufactured and contaminated sense of love, romance, danger, and power based on her "innermost forbidden needs and desires" for those things, i.e., love, romance, danger, and power, not the illusions he cloaked them in nor the mind control he used to force those illusions, amongst other things (shudder at the thought) inside of her. I hardly doubt that Claremont intended to suggest that, in addition to "need[ing]" and "desir[ing]" to be a racist and own a slave, Jean also "need[ed]" and "desire[ed]" to forget her entire identity and loved ones, live in the antebellum period, frolic around in a bodice and panties, and enslave and harm all of her friends. After all, Claremont wrote "needs and desires," not "true thoughts and feelings."

    Of course, people who like to pretend to be aghast at this scene to claim that Jean is a racist character do not seem to mind the author who penned this tale. In fact, they even lavish praise on him and sometimes proudly promote his name like a brand in their signatures. I find this puzzling, especially if the intent is to call out racism and not really just to insult a character they seem to hate, along with trying to sully and shame said character's fans. (After all, these characters are fictional and their thoughts, feelings, and intentions are dictated by the writers...) The fact that they so easily "sweep" the psychic and strongly implied physical rape "under the rug" as if it were just an insignificant little detail certainly does not belie their intentions.

    The real unspoken crime and tragedy of the Dark Phoenix Saga and how some choose to view it for their own nefarious reasons is not the racism that these people maliciously and unfoundedly claim Jean "need[ed] and desire[d]," but the willingness to overlook the abuse a character was subjected to as if one should call it by any other name. A woman's psyche was invaded only to be contorted, contaminated, and, ultimately, controlled. If that weren't bad enough, the woman was also sexualized and placed in sexually compromising positions, to say the least. The redemptive irony here is that the one character that intuited and truly got what had transpired just so happens to be the character that should have been the most incensed and offended; that is, of course, if this claim of Jean being a racist contained a modicum of logic, critical thinking, or veracity.


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    I will also state this, which I have been reticent to share: As a person of color and a survivor of myriad abuses, that some people in this thread think it is okay to minimize or altogether sweep aside the fact that Jean's clone was not only mind controlled but placed in sexually provocative attire, groped and kissed, quite literally, against her will, and forced to perform other vile acts with others, against herself, and against those people whom she considered the closest and dearest to her is something that disturbs me on a level I cannot even begin to articulate.

    To add insult to injury, the implication that she "need[ed]" and "desire[d]" all that was perpetrated against her and all that she was mind-controlled into doing truly sickens me. Some of what is being claimed in this thread is akin to claiming that a person who was drugged and forced to perform vile acts, sexual or otherwise, somehow needed and desired to do what they did. I know what being on the receiving end of such claims feels like, so I find it particularly triggering to read others, even a fictional character, being accused of the same, especially when it is clear that this was not the author's intent.

    What reveals the nefarious intent behind this baseless claim is that no blame is attributed to the writer who dreamt up the scenario of depicting a main character and the first X-Man of color as a slave. And not a moment's notice is given to another character, Emma Frost, who was not being mind-controlled or abused when several issues after Jean's clone killed herself, she decided to hijack and use Ororo's body to be sexually intimate with another character (Shaw). Where's the outrage about that? The logical fallacies and double standards being applied here are truly staggering.

    After all that has been written, and what it has made me recall about my own life, I think I am truly done responding to provocations in this thread. I only ask, and with great respect, that all of you consider some of the things you write and how it may affect other posters who have personally experienced racism, discrimination, homophobia, and physical and sexual abuse.

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    anyway....

    storm goodness:









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