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by the goddess. if you're going to cast "blame" at least know how this discussion started. I was celebrating shuri and ororo being true sisters after the annihilation issue dropped and someone alluded to that not being the case and it being Jean. i responded by saying a sister wouldn't harbor such thoughts as Jean did.
whether you like it or not or wish to say it happened long ago are all irrelevant.
Jean saw ororo as a slave woman and for that its why I dont see them as sisters in the manner some do. at the end of the day the events are canon, Jean never apologized or explained why she had such thoughts and delineating this in context on why I don't qualify them as sisters it isn't bashing a character; its just stating facts.
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ALL HAIL THE HADARI YAO, THE OMEGA'S OMEGA, BEYOND OMEGA, THE VOICE OF SOL!!!! NOW AGAIN THE ONE TRUE AND ONLY GODDESS OF THE X-MEN AS CLAREMONT INTENDED!!!!!
So you're in denial that there's any issue of race or racism with X-books or x-offices and think that fans of color should be grateful because by your estimation black and brown characters have been treated fantastically. also fans of color need to keeping pouring money into books that don't represent them because maybe editorial will finally take notice. You're a moron...
a royal dance I love it!!!
I think a case can be made here especially regarding ororo being a token for many years. I've said it before and will say it again diversity is very important and though the xmen have taken some positive steps the fact that many of the stories center around the white characters demonstrate we still have a very long way to go.
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I've had it with white fans trying to shutdown any discussions of race or racism as they pertain to Storm and Jean because it makes them uncomfortable. The pearl clutching is completely over the top.
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I won't presume to know a posters race because if I'm being frank I've had similar arguments with people who I knew were black. that said, we wouldn't be fully appreciating storm as a character if we didn't acknowledge the various factors that have impacted the character, including the good and the bad and everything in-between.
ALL HAIL THE HADARI YAO, THE OMEGA'S OMEGA, BEYOND OMEGA, THE VOICE OF SOL!!!! NOW AGAIN THE ONE TRUE AND ONLY GODDESS OF THE X-MEN AS CLAREMONT INTENDED!!!!!
I'm Black, by the way.
Lord Ewing *Praise His name! Uplift Him in song!* Your divine works will be remembered and glorified in worship for all eternity. Amen!
Trust me I am so over this costume... it is too much and so unfit for battle...
Glad to see one more person that agrees with me. We don't need negativity here. Is this an appreciation thread or what?
It is irrelevant. You can't bring something that happens decades ago into an appreciation thread and claiming that this character has harboured dark thoughts for Storm, considering that the story clearly states that she didn't remember her friends and clearly states that she was under someone's control. Clearly, you don't know how mind control works. I rarely enter into arguments with you but when you are WRONG, you are WRONG.
You can't twist facts and bring stuff like that in an appreciation thread and expect no one from the Jean thread to not respond, especially Mercury. Therefore, creating several pages of unwanted drama and argument instead of concentrating on Storm's appreciation.
And no, I do not care who started it. I care who stirs it up. And you are stirring it up and that is not okay.
Answer me directly, WHY BRING SOMETHING LIKE THAT in this thread on top of that calling another fan beloved character? There are tons of other characters who have been racists in the comics and you had to put it on, Jean? Why? Do you hate her? Do you dislike her? Do you think that Storm is more important than her? And no don't twist my words. You are fully aware of what I am saying.
Each character in the Marvel Universe is important and each character has its fanbase, especially a character like Jean Grey. If you wanted to point fingers you could have literally picked any other character but no you picked Jean, yet again. I don't know what your personal problem is with Jean and trust me, I am not a fan of Jean either but when you stir up one fanbase for another it is not okay.
Mastermind says these are Jean's innermost desires and needs. If we are to conclude that it wasn't directed at ororo that is a bigger problem because within her is a desire to see black people as slaves. SO its not twisting facts. Its calling it what it is without trying to justify the unjustifiable. Also Mastermind doesn't control minds, he creates illusions so how about before you try to clue me in on the mechanics of fictional powers perhaps know what you're talking about first, OK.
You give me much more power than I have in this forum. I can't control what posters say or do. So if I post something that upsets someone so much so that admittedly confessed to coming into Storms thread to troll and bait the users here that is not my problem and a reflection on that user(s). Clearly you don't understand how individuality or free will works.
Nor do I care about you saying what is not okay. Works both ways. See how that works?
Beloved clearly you must be living in an alternate reality to think I have to respond to you directly about anything. I dont owe you or anyone else for that matter a reason for my thoughts. Go read up on individuality and free will when you can.
You knowing what my issues are or not is irrelevant don't you worry your pretty little head over it. At your request I do not wish to further stir up discussions that distracts from what matters most here and its not Jean. However, just know I'm going to speak my mind and respectfully so. I'm not going to attack people regardless of them not doing the same and i won't filter my thoughts around canonical events due to fanbases' insecurities. They can see a therapist for that it has nothing to do with me.
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ALL HAIL THE HADARI YAO, THE OMEGA'S OMEGA, BEYOND OMEGA, THE VOICE OF SOL!!!! NOW AGAIN THE ONE TRUE AND ONLY GODDESS OF THE X-MEN AS CLAREMONT INTENDED!!!!!
Look, I partially agree with what you said, although I find Marvel Comics problematic (especially the movies where it's more resonant), but they treat non-white characters as a second choice, support characters than most white characters, this is extremely horrible.
If I don't consume elements where there's some character, non-white cast highlighted, that will lower their rating, but for example give Cable another book, where Storm might as well be in her place, why put him? Even though I like Wolverine, I think it's highly overrated that he wins a lot of titles (Yes, I know he's popular and sells), and now they've put his name on what seems to be Krakoa's newest saga.
It's rare to see them giving opportunity to black characters among others to be the highlight of any title, but expect that much of the X-Office office will be white men.
Yeah, every character goes through a rough patch, but what I really feel about Marvel is that they use these black characters, to profit from what they really appreciate, rather than like, ****, why don't they let Coates write one. book about Storm? Why do they just immerse themselves in the Gray-Summers family, Magneto, instead of also exploring Storm's origins? It's these little things that happen that, like it or not, end up discouraging, in addition to the fact that there are some X-office bosses who don't like Ororo very much.
You're absolutely right, I think this Gala costume is very beautiful, for political occasions, business, and in combat situations she should wear her old uniform, or maybe a new one, but it's not like she cares too much about it..
I would love if they adapted this costume here, by Black Panther (1998), I think it's beautiful!
Firstly, neither I nor anyone else on this forum has to answer to you. Secondly, this is neither your nor anyone else's personal thread. Thirdly, and most importantly, I long ago apologized for coming in here the first time to defend Jean regarding insipid feats and I didn't post again until yesterday after I was alerted that these baseless claims of Jean being a racist were being bandied about again. This isn't just about accusing a fictional character of being racist. This is about implying that those fans and supporters of this character are either okay with her being a racist or racist themselves. That is not okay. And I'm sorry, but I won't tolerate it.
Maybe you should ask your friend to stop bringing up Jean in a thread dedicated to Storm, especially if the intent is to shame users who have a positive view or opinion about the character and the established decades-long relationship she has with the character that is the topic of this discussion.
Thank you for being objective about this and for, at the very least, attempting to see things from my perspective. I appreciate it more than I can properly express at the moment.
I think I said everything I had to say about these baseless and insidious claims:
I will also state this, which I have been reticent to share: As a person of color and a survivor of myriad abuses, that some people in this thread think it is okay to minimize or altogether sweep aside the fact that Jean's clone was not only mind controlled but placed in sexually provocative attire, groped and kissed, quite literally, against her will, and forced to perform other vile acts with others, against herself, and against those people whom she considered the closest and dearest to her is something that disturbs me on a level I cannot even begin to articulate.
To add insult to injury, the implication that she "need[ed]" and "desire[d]" all that was perpetrated against her and all that she was mind-controlled into doing truly sickens me. Some of what is being claimed in this thread is akin to claiming that a person who was drugged and forced to perform vile acts, sexual or otherwise, somehow needed and desired to do what they did. I know what being on the receiving end of such claims feels like, so I find it particularly triggering to read others, even a fictional character, being accused of the same, especially when it is clear that this was not the author's intent.
What reveals the nefarious intent behind this baseless claim is that no blame is attributed to the writer who dreamt up the scenario of depicting a main character and the first X-Man of color as a slave. And not a moment's notice is given to another character, Emma Frost, who was not being mind-controlled or abused when several issues after Jean's clone killed herself, she decided to hijack and use Ororo's body to be sexually intimate with another character (Shaw). Where's the outrage about that? The logical fallacies and double standards being applied here are truly staggering.
After all that has been written, and what it has made me recall about my own life, I think I am truly done responding to provocations in this thread. I only ask, and with great respect, that all of you consider some of the things you write and how it may affect other posters who have personally experienced racism, discrimination, homophobia, and physical and sexual abuse.
anyway....
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ALL HAIL THE HADARI YAO, THE OMEGA'S OMEGA, BEYOND OMEGA, THE VOICE OF SOL!!!! NOW AGAIN THE ONE TRUE AND ONLY GODDESS OF THE X-MEN AS CLAREMONT INTENDED!!!!!