I know, but people read it and repeat it and it forms this echo chamber that can, sometimes, actually impact on comics themselves.
Both Jean and Scott suffer so much from it.
In Scott's case it's like: "oh, he's boring". "Cyclops is so boring", etc... It's hammered so much on the fans' heads as well, that they start to actually like when he's portrayed as "edgy". Ugh... I like my Cyke to be "boring". For me, he was never boring. Leave him alone. Character development is one thing but I have zero interest in those remakes of films and cartoons that "re-invent" that character. Or when a writer thinks they're smart enough to bring a different "take" on the character. I don't love him because of his optic blasts and the position of a leader (though I certainly think they're super cool). I love him because of the person he is supposed to be.
As for Jean... Teen Jean. Do I need to say more?
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Scott is definitely one of the few characters to have an echo chamber involving his mistakes/flaws in almost any forum or comment section available. It's quite bizarre. If anything, that tends to bleed into the love triangle, which seems to have been fed by the films and fans themselves. It didn't seem to be a big thing in the comics before the 2000's. Most of it was from Claremont, anyways. Funny how it has now evolved, unfortunately.
That being said, any ideas on how Scott spends his free time in this era? We listed certain things he might like, but what might he actually do?
I wouldn't worry about it. Differing and new opinions are always a good thing. As long as it is somehow tied to Scott and the conversation bears no hate I think it should be fine.
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"This is starting to sound like a bad comic book plot"
-Spider-man
“Evil is evil...lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same."
-Geralt of Rivia
Yeah, I've never thought Scott was boring, I gravitate towards role model and leader characters. What I identify with most is Scott's sense of responsibility, I've lived my entire life since childhood taking care of my family and it's both a burden in its way and a rewarding experience. I wouldn't change it for the world, and I don't think Scott would either.
As for Scott's rougher time the last 20 years, that worked for me because of the context - it seemed like a plausible extension. That being said, I think a classic approach would've worked just as well.
Does it need doing?
Yes.
Then it will be done.
I imagine he does read quite a lot. I wonder what books are his favorite? Frankenstein? Paradise Lost? Lord of the Flies? Maybe he also has a hobby like woodworking or restoring cars?
Yeah, I agree, new opinions can give us new ideas as well.
Does it need doing?
Yes.
Then it will be done.
Even the love triangle wasn't that much of a big deal in the 616 continuity... Don't get me wrong: I effing hate it. But it's another thing that comes more from the emotional reaction of different medias and alternate universes than actual facts. It's really the echo chamber at work.
I relate to the responsibility too. Big time. But it's just one of the things that I adore about the character and people think is boring.
I liked the rougher time too. I just wished they'd done more with it. I love me some Daredevil, so I'm very comfortable with my heroes sinking low and being redeemed. Not in a villainous way, mind you, but just because they're under a lot of pressure and they're human and they make terrible mistakes.
I imagine Scott to be one of those people who is always doing something. When he's not busy with work, he's swimming, running, sailing, flying an airplane, driving, building stuff or fixing stuff (this one is even canon). I don't think he's an agitated person, but he's one of those people that just have to be doing something.
The only time I can imagine he's sitting down is when he's reading (which I think he does often), when he's deep in his thoughts or listening to music he enjoys. And, of course, when he's hanging out with his friends/family. There used to be some scenes with the X-Men going out to have dinner or the "Danger Pub" or even the "Coffee a Go Go", that he seemed to be enjoying himself, even if he felt awkward for social reasons. There were quite some scenes of him dancing with Jean and Madelyne too (which is why I mentioned I think he likes old romantic songs).
I also think he absolutely loved driving upstate to visit Jean's parents, who loved him like a son. I imagine them stopping somewhere pretty, sitting on the hood of the car, and listening to the radio while watching the sunset set. You know, those simple things in life what become special because of the shared experience? I think he really loves that.
Not sure how much of that he can do in Krakoa nowdays...
Edit: I forgot to mention, but since he's not very good expressing feelings, I think he expresses love and affection with actions. Those are not necessarily hobbies, but they take quite some time. For instance, I think he's always trying to improve stuff for the people he loves, anticipating what they need, getting the food they like, remembering little things they mentioned they wanted and getting it for their birthdays. And yeah: big on home improvement.
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It really, really isn't. Scott regularly hooks up and doesn't have to resort to... huh... problematic tactics. Of course he's the villain, lol. Leaving it at that.
I like to think he has to waste a solid hour responding to the daily e-mails of the Marauders/Excalibur/X-Force supporting casts and explaining to them he's not managing the teams anymore, has no idea who they're supposed to complain to and quite frankly doesn't care.
What Cyclops needs is a writer who showcases his qualities, to show his tactical side, his fighting prowess, etc. They say he is a great leader and tactical mind, but they only show him standing back and barking orders, while everyone does what they want. Cyclops is the first to enter the Danger Room and the last to leave, he is the one to study how a fight went down, how they won or lost. He should be like Nathan in Leverage, Danny Ocean, Hannibal from The A-Team or, even Batman.
About what he likes to do, for some reason I believe he would be a great fan of Bobby Dylan, Blood on the Tracks is his favorite album of all times. He also likes to read a lot, mostly detective stories, in the Agatha Christie vein and historical fiction.
It makes me sad to think that thanks to this status quo the triangle, no matter where it goes from here, will have this to point back to in arguments for it. It's like retroactive justification. If Scott and Jean are given proper focus, this will still have happened, unless they actually retcon it away.
Yeah, it's certainly not the only thing I love about Scott. And I'm in full agreement, Scott should've had his own "Born Again" style storyline.
I love this. He probably enjoys fishing also. And definitely a handy man.
Does it need doing?
Yes.
Then it will be done.
I don't believe it needs to be retconned. I wouldn't like if it was, actually.
There is a scene in which Scott tells Jean he understands why she feels the way she feels for Logan. It's beautiful. We can see it's not easy for him, but he knows it's not her fault. He accepts that part of her better than she does herself, because he understands that she is not perfect (one of the many reasons why they're such a good couple). I mean, they shared a psychic rapport. He knew how much she truly loved him.
I think the psychic affair is a worse case to make fans less upset about. You see, there are two double standards there: society downplays abuse when the victim is male and they exalt betrayal when the perpetrator is a married man (which makes the whole thing appear more vulgar and sordid than it was)... It has it's own echo chamber too that is even harder break apart.
But, you know, it's not impossible. It just takes someone willing to approach the matter with sensibility and without playing favourites.
After Schism, I hoped we may be going in this direction. Not because of the fight itself, but what triggered it: the way he left the decision on the shoulders of a young mutant who he knew was troubled ("You do what you feel you have to.")
Sure, he takes the responsibility for her actions later. But I thought it was really problematic and out of character, even. But in a way that served the bigger narrative and the ongoing process of the mounting pressure of being the leader, you know? I thought it showed that he was really going too far.
But no... the writers just excused him. Not even the fact that half of the mutants were leaving (again, not judging the fight or the justification itself) knocked some sense on him. He never questioned if their leaving meant he was failing them. He just kept on focusing on keeping everyone safe.
Then, out of the blue, the writers go full-blame-it-on him with AvX. But he doesn't seem to regret that either. And then the O5 are brought to make him wake up... But all we get a silly revolution that meant nothing.
Such a waste of those many years of story... If done well, it could have been so cool and memorable. And such a reward for the readers, for all those years building up to it, so he could emerge a better hero and leader in the end.
Yes, fishing! Totally! I'd bet Chris and Philip took the boys to fish! Maybe Deborah and Katherine even joined too. It would be even more special to him because those were memories of his childhood with his family. :)
Anyway, I'm sure there are more things I forgot. But I imagine he likes to do stuff along those lines.