Sure I'm game. I didn't realize the topic was an issue? If it is I do apologize to everyone else. I rarely post as it is, mostly lurk and learn.
Sure I'm game. I didn't realize the topic was an issue? If it is I do apologize to everyone else. I rarely post as it is, mostly lurk and learn.
Not a problem for me here, as you two are taking about Jean as she relates to Scott rather than as an independent character (and from what I have seen, the same in regards to Scott in the Jean thread). I will chime in more, albeit briefly, after my overtime shift is done. I got stuck with two 12 hour shifts back to back, but am nearly done the first.
Dark does not mean deep.
It's not the topic in particular. It's just because we weren't focusing much on Scott and this is supposed to be his appreciation thread. And I hate being the one making a mess.
EDIT: I replied your previous post in private. It should be in your inbox.
Sure, please do. I always appreciate your posts, even when we don't fully agree. I may reply to you in private as well, though, if I have a lot to say and it's not super related to our fearless leader. I don't mean it as a threat, though. :D
For a while it did seem like the writers were playing a game of chicken with each other, attempting to one-up each other bring Jean and Logan closer and closer to having an affair - then Morrison took over, actually did it, and the boards forgot everything leading up to it.
The AU stuff where Jean and Logan end up together and/or a villainous Cyclops makes me think of Claremont and his childish vendetta. He had a run in Exiles, plus his previous work on Excalibur's Cross Time Caper run.
Dark does not mean deep.
I wrote about the 4 instances in which I could remember (thanks @Cyked for reminding me of one of them) that Logan and Jean kissed, in the pre-Krakoan 616 continuity. I thought that, after I defended Scott exhaustively on her thread, explaining the abusive nature of the affair and psychological state he was in (also when it came to Madelyne), it would be fair do the same for Jean here before her haters would come and trash her.
But then I reminded myself of something… This is pointless. *sigh* And it’s the wrong thread anyway.
Yeah, I saw that. It's understandably difficult to discuss those topics sometimes because some of us Scott or Jean fans might be more invested one way or another. I'm pretty comfortable asserting that no Cyclops fan thinks he's blameless for these things, but it's complicated to say the least.
Does it need doing?
Yes.
Then it will be done.
We had a really good talk in private. We agreed on 95% (I may not have been great at expressing myself on here). I think I'm just a pessamist.
My only problem with the Scott and Jean relationship being restarted is what seems to be happening in X-Force - which is exactly what I feared. Return of the Insipid Love Triangle - that book doesn't appear to be playing the polyamory angle but rather something else that needs to be strangled, burned to ashes, burn the ashes, then salt the earth where you bury it so nothing grows from it again.
Dark does not mean deep.
Do any of you folks happen to know of any blog posts that highlights Scott's depression and inferiority compleX? Asking for a friend.
It’s not about the characters only. It’s about the world in general. Have you heard of the Meyers-Briggs Type Indicator? I'm an INTj (the archetype of the architect/mastermind) which is a rare personality and even rarer for females. It’s also the one I believe Scott would likely have, by the way.
Here’s the thing. It’s not that I don’t have emotional reactions. I do. Sometimes they’re really strong. But, eventually, when things calm down (and it may take years) I look at things rationally. I go for the facts and extrapolate from them.
But most people stay trapped on that first initial emotional reaction, form their opinions and are never really interested in challenging them. And some react in a hostile way if they feel something or someone is doing it.
As an INTj, I’m very comfortable with retreating to my mind palace and not dealing with people at all. I just feel it’s a shame because we could all benefit so much from sharing.
The point is - and I know this will sound cold - I’m not really interested in the immature emotions of other people. I have my own to sort through. And I don’t have a social need to interact with people, actually. So, at some point, you ask yourself: “why am I wasting my time with this again?” And the answer is: “yeah, you shouldn’t. Move on”.
Now... I don’t expect people to have the same level of interest or investment in the couple. I’m totally okay with people having different preferences and tastes. What bothers me is when people spill their opinions as facts. Because other people pick it up and repeats it and, at some point, it becomes the truth.
An example:
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https://www.cbr.com/marvel-reasons-j...ible-together/
7 - Not The Best Couple: Cyclops's Lack Of Options
Cyclops and Jean met when they were very young and became an item in a very dangerous environment. They were basically child soldiers in Professor X's war against evil mutants and the negative publicity those evil mutants garnered the mutant race.
While Jean had four people to choose from (well, three, because Iceman was gay; although since he was closeted, he probably would have gone out with her), Cyclops just had her. She was pretty much his entire romantic world for most of his life and circumstances like that don't always build the strongest relationships.
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My mind immediately goes: lack of options...? If that was true for Scott, it should have been true for Bobby, Hank and Warren, right? But all of them got over their crush for Jean (Warren not so much) and they had girlfriends, who weren't Jean, back in the O5 day. So how is this "reason" based on facts?
You know what I mean? It's tiring.