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    Dick's doing pretty well in other media too. With Titans getting a 4th season and Gotham Knights coming. Now if he can just get some traction on that movie.

    But ya, even Marvel wouldn't be pushing Nightwing like they do Iron Heart or Ms. Marvel. Nor would he be have his own concrete mythos. As what Marvel did with those characters is use the mythos of others to help introduce them to increase their diversity profile of characters. Signal would be an example DC trying to do this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godlike13 View Post
    Dick's doing pretty well in other media too. With Titans getting a 4th season and Gotham Knights coming. Now if he can just get some traction on that movie.
    And Young Justice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godlike13 View Post
    Dick's doing pretty well in other media too. With Titans getting a 4th season and Gotham Knights coming. Now if he can just get some traction on that movie.
    Agreed, a Nightwing movie would be great. Even an HBO Max release like Batgirl would be awesome. The character lends himself to some amazing and visually unique, fast paced acrobatic fight scenes/stunts.

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    What did you think of Dick/Robin in Batman The Long Halloween Special?

    His scenes with Barbara were cute


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucas 35 View Post
    What did you think of Dick/Robin in Batman The Long Halloween Special?

    His scenes with Barbara were cute

    "Uncle Jim" still feels weird but it's nice to see Tim Sale draw Batgirl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
    "Uncle Jim" still feels weird but it's nice to see Tim Sale draw Batgirl.
    Yeah, it was a cute scene and since the work is tied to Miller's Year One it can't be helped, but I will never not hate "Uncle Jim" with a fiery passion in general. One of the dumbest and most needless retcons ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iclifton View Post
    Talk about jumping to conclusions. They are not getting rid of Dick and he is not becoming solely a benefactor. The point of the run so far has been to tell a more personal Dick Grayson story. Some people want to see what he is like out of the costume. Whether you like it or not is an opinion. But there has been nothing hinting at what your saying lol. Do not like the run, thats fine. But it definitely has not be a detriment to the character.

    What Marvel franchise character is getting a better treatment than Dick right now? Iron Heart and Miss Marvel. Comic wise Dick is doing much better. Maybe on the media side but this is strictly because the MCU is farther along and more developed than the DCU. Another factor is both Iron Heart and Ms.Marvel are minorities and the MCU is striving to be more diverse.
    Well sorry to burst your bubble but if it wasnít for that terrible Ric run, Tom King had planned to have Tim take over the mantle while dick was recovering soooo its entirely still possible (Taylor also apparently supported the idea). People said they would never kill Dick off and yet it still happened. So nothing is off the table, itís ok for people to speculate. Like the run all you want but Dick is extremely OOC and the bad writing is detriment to his character. There is a reason why many of the people behind making the decisions keep trying to either kill Dick off or think he is too boring to give good writing to or to think he is a priority for a movie.

    I used marvel as an example of something that DC tried to do a version of but failed. They even tried to re-create X-Men with NTT (that was kind of a success). Why does it matter that they are minorities? DC is doing the same thing right now with infinite frontier/5G. Thatís why I mentioned it. Comic wise, Nightwing isnít selling anymore or doing any better than he normally does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MakeNightwingGreatAgain View Post
    Well sorry to burst your bubble but if it wasnít for that terrible Ric run, Tom King had planned to have Tim take over the mantle while dick was recovering soooo its entirely still possible (Taylor also apparently supported the idea). People said they would never kill Dick off and yet it still happened. So nothing is off the table, itís ok for people to speculate. Like the run all you want but Dick is extremely OOC and the bad writing is detriment to his character. There is a reason why many of the people behind making the decisions keep trying to either kill Dick off or think he is too boring to give good writing to or to think he is a priority for a movie.

    I used marvel as an example of something that DC tried to do a version of but failed. They even tried to re-create X-Men with NTT (that was kind of a success). Why does it matter that they are minorities? DC is doing the same thing right now with infinite frontier/5G. Thatís why I mentioned it. Comic wise, Nightwing isnít selling anymore or doing any better than he normally does.
    Tim was supposed to be Nightwing temporarily. Personally, I much prefer it over the Nightwings idea. It could have explored their relationship and their bond. Not sure what it would have done to Tim, though. Maybe it could have been the push needed for him to understand he wants his own identity and his own city.

    Nightwing was amongst the top 50 sellers in all lists since Taylor took over, based on comichorn the book is selling about 50k, and on Comixology was the 3rd best seller comics of the month. It's doing much better than before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MakeNightwingGreatAgain View Post
    Well sorry to burst your bubble but if it wasnít for that terrible Ric run, Tom King had planned to have Tim take over the mantle while dick was recovering soooo its entirely still possible (Taylor also apparently supported the idea). People said they would never kill Dick off and yet it still happened. So nothing is off the table, itís ok for people to speculate. Like the run all you want but Dick is extremely OOC and the bad writing is detriment to his character. There is a reason why many of the people behind making the decisions keep trying to either kill Dick off or think he is too boring to give good writing to or to think he is a priority for a movie.

    I used marvel as an example of something that DC tried to do a version of but failed. They even tried to re-create X-Men with NTT (that was kind of a success). Why does it matter that they are minorities? DC is doing the same thing right now with infinite frontier/5G. Thatís why I mentioned it. Comic wise, Nightwing isnít selling anymore or doing any better than he normally does.

    King didn't pitch Tim as a temp replacement. He came up with that in a Podcast but was never pitched. He pitched Zatara giving him his memory back.

    Nightwing might not be selling any better than before but he out sells anyone they could replace him with [unless they replace him with Bruce Wayne]

    Many people behind the scene don't keep trying to kill him off. One person wanted to. Didio. His reason was to protect the biggest money maker. Batman.

    Nightwing might not be Priority for a Movie but he carries many franchises and is one of the most widely used DC characters in other media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MakeNightwingGreatAgain View Post
    I used marvel as an example of something that DC tried to do a version of but failed. They even tried to re-create X-Men with NTT (that was kind of a success). Why does it matter that they are minorities? DC is doing the same thing right now with infinite frontier/5G. That’s why I mentioned it. Comic wise, Nightwing isn’t selling anymore or doing any better than he normally does.
    He is selling well, especially in today's market. You can deny all you want, but that is a fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MakeNightwingGreatAgain View Post
    Well sorry to burst your bubble but if it wasn’t for that terrible Ric run, Tom King had planned to have Tim take over the mantle while dick was recovering soooo its entirely still possible (Taylor also apparently supported the idea). People said they would never kill Dick off and yet it still happened. So nothing is off the table, it’s ok for people to speculate. Like the run all you want but Dick is extremely OOC and the bad writing is detriment to his character. There is a reason why many of the people behind making the decisions keep trying to either kill Dick off or think he is too boring to give good writing to or to think he is a priority for a movie.

    I used marvel as an example of something that DC tried to do a version of but failed. They even tried to re-create X-Men with NTT (that was kind of a success). Why does it matter that they are minorities? DC is doing the same thing right now with infinite frontier/5G. That’s why I mentioned it. Comic wise, Nightwing isn’t selling anymore or doing any better than he normally does.
    Yes, Nightwing is currently doing and selling better than he normally does. Your in denial.

    Tim was only supposed to be Nightwing for a short period. Probably would have been better than Ric. Just because it was in the plans years ago does not mean it is now. There are no signs pointing to this, hence, "jumping to conclusions". Dick has not been out of character whatsoever. Everything he has said and done has been in line. He has always wanted to be peoples safety net. Makes sense he would spend his entire fortune on other people. You cannot like the story, but Dick has literally done nothing OOC.

    I use Marvel as an example because they do not have any spin-off franchises being treated better than Nightwing. It matters they are minorities as Marvel wants to create a more diverse line which is why both characters are getting a MCU show. "Extremely bad writing". Come on, you can not enjoy it, but damn you have a real "sky is falling attitude". Take a deep breath. The character has an A-list team that is getting a big push, is in a bunch of comic titles currently, has multiple TV shows, a video game and closer than ever to mainstream recognition. One day you will get a writer you enjoy. For now other people, and a lot of them, are enjoying this run.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SiegePerilous02 View Post
    Yeah, it was a cute scene and since the work is tied to Miller's Year One it can't be helped, but I will never not hate "Uncle Jim" with a fiery passion in general. One of the dumbest and most needless retcons ever.
    Even the Long Halloween animated film just had him as his older daughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiegePerilous02 View Post
    Yeah, it was a cute scene and since the work is tied to Miller's Year One it can't be helped, but I will never not hate "Uncle Jim" with a fiery passion in general. One of the dumbest and most needless retcons ever.
    It wasn't retcon for the sake of retcon.

    Miller didn't include Babs in YO because writers can't do math and assumed she would be born sometime between YO and present day. The only work around was to make Babs Gordon's niece which is better than no Babs at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Venus View Post
    It wasn't retcon for the sake of retcon.

    Miller didn't include Babs in YO because writers can't do math and assumed she would be born sometime between YO and present day. The only work around was to make Babs Gordon's niece which is better than no Babs at all.
    One good thing to come out of the New 52 at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Venus View Post
    It wasn't retcon for the sake of retcon.

    Miller didn't include Babs in YO because writers can't do math and assumed she would be born sometime between YO and present day. The only work around was to make Babs Gordon's niece which is better than no Babs at all.
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    Just say she's in a boarding school in Chicago

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