Dick Grayson: Robin/ Nightwing/ Agent 37 Appreciation 2021

[Vordan]

Nightwing is going to have a 22 pages story by writer Tini Howard in Urban Legends 10 -
https://www.dccomics.com/blog/2021/1...ring-tim-drake

Ugh Tini? Haven’t enjoyed anything of hers over at Marvel

[Godlike13]

Remember these charts can’t tack DC data that well anymore, especially reorders, which the first issue of tie-ins usually see. With the second issue though they now have a better idea of what they need to initially order. More then likely the first tie in issue did more or less the same numbers if not better.

[Ameerha]

I think he's talking about the Oracle fans boycotting because babs is batgirl in this event.

"Oracle fans"
More like salty Cass fans .....

[WonderNight]

"Oracle fans"
More like salty Cass fans .....

I don't know, I don't keep up with that stuff. Just going by what I here. Basically Oracle fans don't want babs as batgirl, Cassandra fans don't want that and maybe steph fan also? I don't know.

[Godlike13]

Those Oracle "fans" don't want Oracle. They just want to virtue signal. For whatever reason. That issue was the most Oracle issue ive read in a long time. The claims of boycott is just more disingenuous bullshit, they're not buying anything anyway. Just more of the same old bullshit. Where are they when they do do something with Oracle. Putting her in the Batgirl suit is the least of Babs problems right now. How about how every other book has made Oracle nothing more then the Bat family's secretary. Being in the Batgirl suit is offensive, but being support to Batgirl is ok.
And here's the thing, the issue would have been better if wasn't a Batgirl suit she had to get into but instead just went out as Oracle. Cause the issue was about her as Oracle. Its entire point was about Oracle and that journey. But no one shows up to support Oracle, no one seems to care about getting Oracle out of this supporting box they have the role buried in, so they have to put her in a new Batgirl suit to get anyone to care or have Babs do anything away from a desktop.

[Rac7d*]

I think he's talking about the Oracle fans boycotting because babs is batgirl in this event.

They aren’t boycotting they were always pirates
The first ones to have an issue to discuss on Twitter before most stores open
Their sales were never part of the equation

[MakeNightwingGreatAgain]

Those Oracle "fans" don't want Oracle. They just want to virtue signal. For whatever reason. That issue was the most Oracle issue ive read in a long time. The claims of boycott is just more disingenuous bullshit, they're not buying anything anyway. Just more of the same old bullshit. Where are they when they do do something with Oracle. Putting her in the Batgirl suit is the least of Babs problems right now. How about how every other book has made Oracle nothing more then the Bat family's secretary. Being in the Batgirl suit is offensive, but being support to Batgirl is ok.
And here's the thing, the issue would have been better if wasn't a Batgirl suit she had to get into but instead just went out as Oracle. Cause the issue was about her as Oracle. Its entire point was about Oracle and that journey. But no one shows up to support Oracle, no one seems to care about getting Oracle out of this supporting box they have the role buried in, so they have to put her in a new Batgirl suit to get anyone to care or have Babs do anything away from a desktop.

I agree! It’s the same thing with Dick babs too. They only support Dick dating oracle to use as a way to say “hey hot dude dating girl in wheel chair” than actually enjoying their relationship. Both Nightwing and Batgirl are used a lot of the time to basically yell at writers for not including their political or social ideologies. The only time these people are satisfied is when characters act as their soapbox. It’s incredibly annoying as well when they say Oracle is the best version of babs when Barbara was an incredibly independent, upbeat, over achieving adult woman who was happily engaged before the retcons. Oracle was peak Babs not the best babs has ever been.

[MakeNightwingGreatAgain]

What boycotts?

So lots of babs fans are upset for two reasons. The first reason is actually valid in that they are mad that Babs is once again reduced to being a side character to Nightwing rather than being her own thing and her being with Nightwing devalues her. The second reason makes 100% zero sense. Basically calling Tom Taylor ableist because he mentioned Babs being oracle and some of the things she did to make herself walk again while still being Batgirl. They basically got on their soap box demanding repersentation for the disabled. When you think about it, it’s kinda funny how they rarely mention the fact that Dick has been disabled as well but no one bats an eye at that fact. It’s all about Babs being in a wheelchair.

Personally, it shouldn’t matter whether babs is in a wheelchair or not in the same way it shouldn’t matter if dick is Batman or Nightwing. The character should still be doing the same things and experiencing life the same way. Babs can be a great computer expert as Oracle and as Batgirl. It shouldn’t matter the title she uses. It also goes to show how people use Nightwing comic as a way to complain about other characters when it’s not even their book. Like GG to you guys for turning Nightwing comic into a conversation that is not even about his character.

[Rac7d*]

So lots of babs fans are upset for two reasons. The first reason is actually valid in that they are mad that Babs is once again reduced to being a side character to Nightwing rather than being her own thing and her being with Nightwing devalues her. The second reason makes 100% zero sense. Basically calling Tom Taylor ableist because he mentioned Babs being oracle and some of the things she did to make herself walk again while still being Batgirl. They basically got on their soap box demanding repersentation for the disabled. When you think about it, it’s kinda funny how they rarely mention the fact that Dick has been disabled as well but no one bats an eye at that fact. It’s all about Babs being in a wheelchair.

Personally, it shouldn’t matter whether babs is in a wheelchair or not in the same way it shouldn’t matter if dick is Batman or Nightwing. The character should still be doing the same things and experiencing life the same way. Babs can be a great computer expert as Oracle and as Batgirl. It shouldn’t matter the title she uses. It also goes to show how people use Nightwing comic as a way to complain about other characters when it’s not even their book. Like GG to you guys for turning Nightwing comic into a conversation that is not even about his character.

She is not a side character to anyone. Yes she a supporting regulars in the current Nightwing run. She is also reoccurring in Batman and makes frequent appearance in all bat titles. She is the eye and ear to most of the major heroes and organization in the DCUNIVERSE. She is currently stepping back from field work which is why her own solo had ended. She is about resume a serious relation with dick so of course she would be featured heavily in his book, the last issue took place from her point of view. And you can bet Dick will likely be reoccurring in batgirls where she will be a lead, just as he often made appearances in her Birds of Prey run. Barbra Gordon has had her own solo book for the last Decade, would people rather see her vanish then assisting nightwing ? what makes the pair so great is that they can seamlessly crossover into each other lives but also achieve great thing on their own.

Arrow 8 seasons and main relationship was literally the dickbabs template.

anyway, their boycotts is useless, nightwing remains a hot top seller among a majority of DCs line . Taylor is safe to write up to issue 100 if he so chooses too

[Iclifton]

So lots of babs fans are upset for two reasons. The first reason is actually valid in that they are mad that Babs is once again reduced to being a side character to Nightwing rather than being her own thing and her being with Nightwing devalues her. The second reason makes 100% zero sense. Basically calling Tom Taylor ableist because he mentioned Babs being oracle and some of the things she did to make herself walk again while still being Batgirl. They basically got on their soap box demanding repersentation for the disabled. When you think about it, it’s kinda funny how they rarely mention the fact that Dick has been disabled as well but no one bats an eye at that fact. It’s all about Babs being in a wheelchair.

Personally, it shouldn’t matter whether babs is in a wheelchair or not in the same way it shouldn’t matter if dick is Batman or Nightwing. The character should still be doing the same things and experiencing life the same way. Babs can be a great computer expert as Oracle and as Batgirl. It shouldn’t matter the title she uses. It also goes to show how people use Nightwing comic as a way to complain about other characters when it’s not even their book. Like GG to you guys for turning Nightwing comic into a conversation that is not even about his character.

I mean she is a side character yes, but not a sidekick. Nightwing is obviously going to be the main character in his own book. Pretty unrealistic expectation to think different. She will also be a main character in the Batgirls books and appears in Batman. Should solo books not use use other heroes as side characters?

The unreasonable expectations and thought process of fans really blow my mind.

[Drako]

From the Annual.

[Restingvoice]

So lots of babs fans are upset for two reasons. The first reason is actually valid in that they are mad that Babs is once again reduced to being a side character to Nightwing rather than being her own thing and her being with Nightwing devalues her. The second reason makes 100% zero sense. Basically calling Tom Taylor ableist because he mentioned Babs being oracle and some of the things she did to make herself walk again while still being Batgirl. They basically got on their soap box demanding repersentation for the disabled. When you think about it, it’s kinda funny how they rarely mention the fact that Dick has been disabled as well but no one bats an eye at that fact. It’s all about Babs being in a wheelchair.

Personally, it shouldn’t matter whether babs is in a wheelchair or not in the same way it shouldn’t matter if dick is Batman or Nightwing. The character should still be doing the same things and experiencing life the same way. Babs can be a great computer expert as Oracle and as Batgirl. It shouldn’t matter the title she uses. It also goes to show how people use Nightwing comic as a way to complain about other characters when it’s not even their book. Like GG to you guys for turning Nightwing comic into a conversation that is not even about his character.

I'm the other way around. I think it's not valid asking Babs to not be a side character when it's not her book, and it's valid to ask for actually disabled Oracle because there's no heroes in a wheelchair anymore, aside from other things readers miss after New 52

If that's what people wish for and they're boycotting since the start of New 52, I'm fine with that. That's how they should do it anyway, speak with your money, and maybe gather more people who agree so that loss of money becomes significant. It's gonna take a while though, since the decision to keep Barbara Batgirl even after Didio's gone probably has to do with WB synergy.

As for Dick, nobody caring about his amnesia due to it being brought upon by a hater is normal.

[Rac7d*]

From the Annual.

this is the retcon period where nightwing didn't hate and ignore jason?

[Rac7d*]

I'm the other way around. I think it's not valid asking Babs to not be a side character when it's not her book, and it's valid to ask for actually disabled Oracle because there's no heroes in a wheelchair anymore, aside from other things readers miss after New 52

If that's what people wish for and they're boycotting since the start of New 52, I'm fine with that. That's how they should do it anyway, speak with your money, and maybe gather more people who agree so that loss of money becomes significant. It's gonna take a while though, since the decision to keep Barbara Batgirl even after Didio's gone probably has to do with WB synergy.

As for Dick, nobody caring about his amnesia due to it being brought upon by a hater is normal.

boycotting = Harassing writers who not only did not cuase character status but dont have the power to change it because the character is owned by corporation

[Konja7]

boycotting = Harassing writers who not only did not cuase character status but dont have the power to change it because the character is owned by corporation

That isn't the meaning of boycotting.

That said, although I see that many unfairly criticize and complain that Tom Taylor promotes his book with Batgirl, I haven't seen much harassment to him.