Dick Grayson: Robin/ Nightwing/ Agent 37 Appreciation 2021

[Rac7d*]

Yeah, this event killed Nightwings hype.

Can you prove it?

[Pohzee]

Can you prove it?

Yeah. I stopped buying it.

[Iclifton]

Yeah. I stopped buying it.

Well then it must be true.

Thanks Fear State, this run is doomed.

[Spideyvinnegar]

Dick finally gets a line in Young Justice today.

Props to his VA I know it was just a few lines but both his and Babs VA did a real good job, you can literally sense though his voice all the fear and despair Dick is trying to hide

[Frontier]

Props to his VA I know it was just a few lines but both his and Babs VA did a real good job, you can literally sense though his voice all the fear and despair Dick is trying to hide

Just kind of made it funnier in hindsight when he had no lines during the episode where they deal with Conner's "death" .

[HsssH]

You know, thinking about it, if Barbara is remaining a consistent presence in the Nightwing title then....

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...now that it seems James Gordon Jr is back as a Talon, he's pretty well placed to be a mutual nemesis to both of them. They both have history with him - Barbara more than Dick, obviously, although Black Mirror looms large - and it gives the kind of "face" and personal connection to the Owls that's been lacking since Lincoln March for Bruce and William Cobb for Dick never really took off as individuals. Wonder if he'll turn up in the future - for better or worse, Tynion seems to have seen his role to be Johnny New-Character-Seed throwing out a load of stuff for other titles and writers to pick up on if wanted.

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Do people care more about James Gordon Jr. than about Lincoln or Cobb? To me they are on the same level of uninteresting, I'd probable even pull Cobb ahead of those two a bit as far as relevancy goes.

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[Godlike13]

Well Black Mirror was better then anything done with the other two and Dick. But he's fallen since then. No doubt.

[Twice-named]

Nightwing #89 solicit and covers. Sorry it’s small. Screenshot is from my phone.

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[JackJustMetMartin]

Nightwing #89 solicit and covers. Sorry it’s small. Screenshot is from my phone.

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Where's this from?

[Twice-named]

Where's this from?

DC Connect #19 on DC Universe Infinite

[Badou]

Nightwing #89 solicit and covers. Sorry it’s small. Screenshot is from my phone.

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If Jon was still a kid this would have been a lot more interesting. Since Dick never interacted with kid Jon. You could play around with themes of Dick helping to mentor a young kid the way Superman did for him when he was a kid starting his hero journey, but that doesn't really work as well when Jon is nearly an adult now and already acting as Superman. They kind of missed their window to tell this story properly and I just have zero interest in Dick interacting with current Jon.

[Claude]

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Do people care more about James Gordon Jr. than about Lincoln or Cobb? To me they are on the same level of uninteresting, I'd probable even pull Cobb ahead of those two a bit as far as relevancy goes.

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Anecdotally, I'd say JGJr was more popular - but I can't back that up by science! Feels like he's had more and better-received appearances, too - a bigger role in Black Mirror under Snyder than Cobb had in Court Of Owls, and returns in Simone's very popular Batgirl run and Batman Eternal as well as more recently. I dropped Nightwing during the Ric era so can't speak to Cobb there specifically, but otherwise he doesn't really have a lot of personality, does he?

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If Jon was still a kid this would have been a lot more interesting. Since Dick never interacted with kid Jon. You could play around with themes of Dick helping to mentor a young kid the way Superman did for him when he was a kid starting his hero journey, but that doesn't really work as well when Jon is nearly an adult now and already acting as Superman. They kind of missed their window to tell this story properly and I just have zero interest in Dick interacting with current Jon.

Taylor's not averse to a flashback or two, and there's no reason to think that Dick hasn't met Jon before I don't think?

But I dunno, Dick meeting Cute Kid Jon and a cover where they're sat on a pier eating ice cream and Dick ruffles his hair and is impressed with his precociousness but also hands done some wisdom about having fun and believing in yourself wouldn't have been a fun way to spend twenty pages!

(Kid Jon really bugged me, for my money he's currently the most interesting he's ever been - but I made my peace with the fact I liked Bendis on Superman more than many on this forum a while back!)

Interestingly that the solict and the current status quo has Jon as a "Nightwing" mirror rather than a "Robin" one - that really is a good way to connect Dick and Clark, with so much of the Golden and Silver ages out of both fashion and continuity it's a good hook to show them being close.

Plus, first crossover outside the Bat Family! At last!

[Godlike13]

If Jon was still a kid this would have been a lot more interesting. Since Dick never interacted with kid Jon. You could play around with themes of Dick helping to mentor a young kid the way Superman did for him when he was a kid starting his hero journey, but that doesn't really work as well when Jon is nearly an adult now and already acting as Superman. They kind of missed their window to tell this story properly and I just have zero interest in Dick interacting with current Jon.

Ya, i get this is technically something. Jon is the new Superman, and this meeting is one that should have happened years ago even its not happening in an ideal form. So on paper i get what they are trying to sell here. But personally im just not interested in Jon anymore now that he's an adult. I really do not like that they aged him, it took all the appeal of the character away for me. They cheated us out of actually getting to experience him growing and becoming who he now is. Dick is pretty much the ultimate representation of that. What would make this have meaning is lost, as Dick represents a journey they robbed Jon and readers of. He's a faux mirror next to Dick.

[Rac7d*]

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Do people care more about James Gordon Jr. than about Lincoln or Cobb? To me they are on the same level of uninteresting, I'd probable even pull Cobb ahead of those two a bit as far as relevancy goes.

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they are uninteresting until someone makes them so

[Rac7d*]

Ya, i get this is technically something. Jon is the new Superman, and this meeting is one that should have happened years ago even its not happening in an ideal form. But personally im just not interested in Jon anymore now that he's an adult. I really do not like that they aged him, it took all the appeal of the character away for me. They cheated us out of actually getting to experience him growing and becoming who he now is. Dick is pretty much the ultimate representation of that. What would make this have meaning is lost, as Dick represents a journey they robbed Jon and readers of. He's a faux mirror next to Dick.

I agree with you here
But there is no going back, and someone has to build a personality over the the empty slate that is Jon. Dick might be the start to that. I'm sure he will tell some embarrassing Damian stories, Jon will open up to him. I can't help but give it a chance in taylor's hands. The one trait from kid jon to present that is still there is his optimism, and that something dick grayson has in abundance.