Tim Drake: Robin, Red Robin, Drake Appreciation 2021

[CPSparkles]

Why ? He’s the next robins

And? Amazing how when it comes to Duke suddenly accuracy becomes an issue on a show that's in accurate as heck.

I should have been Duke because he is the Black Robin and the optics of changing Tim a from a rich white kid to a poor black kid. That's hella racist.

[Rac7d*]

So? the character is a kid from the rough part of town who believes in batman. the character is Duke Thomas not Tim drake.

I don't recall the other history of the DCU mentioning the Thomas family as one of Gotham's oldest and richest. That was the Drakes.

This kid is Duke Thomas not Tim Drake

??? They could have made him an original character with the description you just gave.
Tim is the robin who figured out Batman and robins identity.

[CPSparkles]

??? They could have made him an original character with the description you just gave.
Tim is the robin who figured out Batman and robins identity.

What are you talking about?

That description is part of Duke

[godisawesome]

The “streetwise kid” and “toughest streets” thing definitely leans towards the “If we make Wally West black, he needs to be from the hood!”-type of racism. And to be blunt, even Duke isn’t really that stereotypical, at least not in presentation. If what they wanted was greater diversity, than just making Tim a black kid and keeping the rest of his backstory soldi could have done that - while a wise move would be to incorporate how race,would *still* impact Tim in that scenario, the sheer “tenacity” of someone deciding “Black Robin must equal street kid” is ridiculous, particularly when they have Jason already being the street kid, both in the comics and the show.

[Frontier]

First official image of him in the Titans series:

He looks nice enough. Not sure if he feels like Tim Drake yet, though.

[Aahz]

I don't recall the other history of the DCU mentioning the Thomas family as one of Gotham's oldest and richest. That was the Drakes.

The Drakes were also not that rich.

I mean yeah they were pretty rich, but not on the Level of the Waynes, Kanes, Elliots ..., and they were not among the founding families.

By the way Duke was also not that poor, more working class or maybe even lower middle class, not like Jason or Harper Row.

[Light of Justice]

First official image of him in the Titans series:

Maybe because of lighting, but as someone who lived in Southeast Asia he didn't look full-black like Duke for me. He will look white in my country. I can see him as Tim Drake

[Light of Justice]

We don't know the plot yet. If he saw Grayson's death as a child, he's Tim Drake

[Fergus]

The Drakes were also not that rich.

I mean yeah they were pretty rich, but not on the Level of the Waynes, Kanes, Elliots ..., and they were not among the founding families.

By the way Duke was also not that poor, more working class or maybe even lower middle class, not like Jason or Harper Row.

I don't know what you are talking about.
The other history of the DCU lists the Drakes as one of Gotham's oldest and richest families. It makes not mention of the Thomas'.

That isn't an opinion that's open to debate or an assumption. That is simply canon.

[Frontier]

I don't know what you are talking about.
The other history of the DCU lists the Drakes as one of Gotham's oldest and richest families. It makes not mention of the Thomas'.

That isn't an opinion that's open to debate or an assumption. That is simply canon.

Well, The Other History of the DCU isn't exact canon in-and-of-itself.

[Rac7d*]

I don't know what you are talking about.
The other history of the DCU lists the Drakes as one of Gotham's oldest and richest families. It makes not mention of the Thomas'.

That isn't an opinion that's open to debate or an assumption. That is simply canon.

Then why did he give up his last name and need to take inheritance from
Bruce?

[Frontier]

Then why did he give up his last name and need to take inheritance from
Bruce?

That had nothing to do with money.

[Rac7d*]

That had nothing to do with money.

Which apparently he has plenty of
No wonder he is known as the privileged Robin. It also must be hard to justify him being apart of the vigilante life then the other teen heroes.

[Frontier]

Which apparently he has plenty of
No wonder he is known as the privileged Robin. It also must be hard to justify him being apart of the vigilante life then the other teen heroes.

Well, it's not like a lot of the Batfamily are really scrimping for cash unless the plot absolutely needs them to, and that really only happens to Babs from what I've seen.

[godisawesome]

The Drakes were also not that rich.

I mean yeah they were pretty rich, but not on the Level of the Waynes, Kanes, Elliots ..., and they were not among the founding families.

By the way Duke was also not that poor, more working class or maybe even lower middle class, not like Jason or Harper Row.

The part about Duke *also* not being from a stereotypical “black” background is one of the reasons why there’s greater risk of Titans Tim being a worse representative than Duke would have been if representation was their primary goal.

Which apparently he has plenty of
No wonder he is known as the privileged Robin. It also must be hard to justify him being apart of the vigilante life then the other teen heroes.

Well, 1) he’s not got a reputation as the “privileged Robin,” even if he was in fact more privileged than the others, because the character was always much more than that. And 2), it certainly wasn’t hard to justify him as a vigilante - that’s what good storytelling did for him in his first handful of appearances.

Really, none of Gotham’s teen heroes are “justified” as being part of the vigilante life; giving them the motivation and contextualization to go out and be the equivalent of real world child soldiers *without it being problematic* is one of the conceits of the setting. It just like how Gotham “needs” a rich billionaire to wage a privately funded campaign of ninja warfare, amateur detective work and experimental technology against a recurring cast of colorful murderers.

Really, most of Tim’s problems seem to arise from people trying to o fix what wasn’t broken with him before hand.