Magnus Family appreciation 2021

[GenericUsername]

You know I never thought about it that way but that's exactly it, it's basically shipping where people pretend all these interactions between the characters that never happened are canon, and refuse to acknowledge what the characters are actually like.
I think it says something that even in continuities where Magneto did raise the twins they still never had any cute family dynamic, and the twins usually still hate him.

It really is like this. It's wild.

[salarta]

It's kind of strange that a Magnus Family appreciation thread has been turned into a "the Magnus family sucks" thread.

[GenericUsername]

How exactly was the X-line suppose to do it though? The avenger writer who had wanda decimate her friends then did a mini from the main line though people try to act like he didn't jump to the x-line until years after he destroyed wanda. So the main x-books were suppose to rehab Wanda who had just changed the entire landscape of x-line books and killed many mutants while bendis went on having fun with New Avengers and avengers and somehow it falls on the x-line. like really?

It doesn't fall on the x-line. The whole thing falls on Marvel. It never should have happened. Like all the parentage retcons should have never happened. And they should have just went with the Maximoffs.

[Lucyinthesky]

AD/Hom was made to reintroduce the Avengers franchise with Spider-Man, Wolverine, Tony, Steve, Luke Cage, Carol, etc, give ideas/make way for the MCU and to get rid of the classic Avengers, it was also made to reduce the number of mutants, which made way for all the stories centered about endangered species that has actually taken a lot of X-fans out of interest on the franchise while gaining others interested in this theme with only some parts of it involving different type of stories.But the main point of them was to help the Avengers franchise and it did even at the cost of older/classic characters like Wanda, Pietro, Vision, etc.

[jwatson]

No one said the x-offices did HoM. But HoM was done for the future of x-stories. It was the catalyst for the future. It was just started Avengers side.

Marvel is one company. Not two. Their crappy stories are crappy ones. Regardless of side.

Still, the only recent good appearances for Wanda are in Zub's Avengers and her solo. That's really it.

Catalyst: a substance that increases the rate of a chemical reaction without itself undergoing any permanent chemical change.

It was more like a noose. it went from Morrison growing the mutant population in a true catalyst to the main office decimating them luckily it wasn't permanent.

[GenericUsername]

AD/Hom was made to reintroduce the Avengers franchise with Spider-Man, Wolverine, Tony, Steve, Luke Cage, Carol, etc, give ideas/make way for the MCU and to get rid of the classic Avengers, it was also made to reduce the number of mutants, which made way for all the stories centered about endangered species that has actually taken a lot of X-fans out of interest in the franchise with only some parts of it involving different type of stories.

Disassembled was made to reboot the Avengers. HoM was to set the new standard of mutant tales.

[GenericUsername]

Catalyst: a substance that increases the rate of a chemical reaction without itself undergoing any permanent chemical change.

It was more like a noose. it went from Morrison growing the mutant population in a true catalyst to the main office decimating them luckily it wasn't permanent.

Sure and all that sucks. Someone should have stood up during that retreat and said all of it was gonna trash characters too much and wasn't worth that. But they wanted to sell comics with shock value. So here we are.

[jwatson]

It's kind of strange that a Magnus Family appreciation thread has been turned into a "the Magnus family sucks" thread.

Which makes no sense. Despite being depowered by her. Despite being in complete denial and almost killed by a sentinel because she couldn't believe she lost her powers. Despite going on a mission into space all with the idea her powers were out there and becoming a horseman Lorna still forgave wanda and held no ill will towards her on the page. And yet somehow the magnus family is the problem. Her own teammates on the avengers don't give her that kind of forgiveness.

[GenericUsername]

Which makes no sense. Despite being depowered by her. Despite being in complete denial and almost killed by a sentinel because she couldn't believe she lost her powers. Despite going on a mission into space all with the idea her powers were out there and becoming a horseman Lorna still forgave wanda and held no ill will towards her on the page. And yet somehow the magnus family is the problem. Her own teammates on the avengers don't give her that kind of forgiveness.

Lorna is not the problem in the relationship. There is no problem with Lorna at all. It's trusting that Wanda's relationship with Mags will turn out differently this time.

[Lucyinthesky]

Disassembled was made to reboot the Avengers. HoM was to set the new standard of mutant tales.

Well it was to undo Morrison´s grown on the mutant population and that was it, it was writers like Mike Carey and Fraction who made the efford to bring new stories and still with this, there are fans who left after HoM and only recently came back to the franchise.

Yes it would be nice if we could keep this threat to appreciate the family, we can always argue on a new threat imo

[Metro]

AD/Hom was made to reintroduce the Avengers franchise with Spider-Man, Wolverine, Tony, Steve, Luke Cage, Carol, etc, give ideas/make way for the MCU and to get rid of the classic Avengers, it was also made to reduce the number of mutants, which made way for all the stories centered about endangered species that has actually taken a lot of X-fans out of interest on the franchise while gaining others interested in this theme with only some parts of it involving different type of stories.But the main point of them was to help the Avengers franchise and it did even at the cost of older/classic characters like Wanda, Pietro, Vision, etc.

See AD/HOM happening because of the MCU makes no sense, Iron Man wouldn't be released until 2008, and if it was to make ideas for the movie then why would they add Wolverine and Spider-Man when Marvel didn't own their rights?

[GenericUsername]

Well it was to undo Morrison´s grown on the mutant population and that was it, it was writers like Mike Carey and Fraction who made the efford to bring new stories and still with this, there are fans who left after HoM and only recently came back to the franchise.

Yes it would be nice if we could keep this threat to appreciate the family, we can always argue on a new threat imo

Yep and it started as an idea of Joe Quesada. It was crap.

[jwatson]

See AD/HOM happening because of the MCU makes no sense, Iron Man wouldn't be released until 2008, and if it was to make ideas for the movie then why would they add Wolverine and Spider-Man when Marvel didn't own their rights?

From a business standpoint Wolverine while not directly owned was still popular enough in the fox movies to warrant his presence in the comics to bring attention to the team bendis put together. It is not coincidence almost every character bendis had his hand on at that time ended up with a tv show eventually or a movie.

All i'm trying to say is there is some fans out there who want the best for wanda. I could read decimation or house of m and enjoy the story for what it was and still see the personal vendetta against wanda. The real world and the fictional world doesn't blend for me.

[Lucyinthesky]

Yep and it started as an idea of Joe Quesada. It was crap.

Agreed, it didn´t made sense, they could have just said Genosha had the majority of mutants and without it they were decimated but well editorial politics, I guess.

[GenericUsername]

From a business standpoint Wolverine while not directly owned was still popular enough in the fox movies to warrant his presence in the comics to bring attention to the team bendis put together. It is not coincidence almost every character bendis had his hand on at that time ended up with a tv show eventually or a movie.

All i'm trying to say is there is some fans out there who want the best for wanda. I could read decimation or house of m and enjoy the story for what it was and still see the personal vendetta against wanda. The real world and the fictional world doesn't blend for me.

And the good thing about it was most of them were written better in those cases without him.