"To the X-men then, who donīt die the old fashioned way and no matter how hard we try, none of us die forever" Uncanny X-Men #270, Jean and Ororo
Magneto: The master of magnetism Appreciation 2022
Polaris: The Mistress of Magnetism Appreciation 2022
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It was a silly joke:
“What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet.”
Well, Bill, Pietro would still be as temperamental if he had a different codename, but it wouldn't be as appropriate. Or cool. :P
I agree about this temperament. I wouldn't want him to become calmer, even as he becomes more mature. Just more controlled.
A solo would be fun. :)
To me, Scott Lang is important for a very important reason: The Young Avengers. From what I understand his daughter plays a pretty huge role in that group, and you kinda need Scott to bring her into the picture. Scott's and Cassie's relationship is key to those Ant-Man movies. With Natasha, you sorta need her to bring Yelena on board. Not sure if the new Black Widow will join the Young Avengers, but I wouldn't be surprised if she did. I think Yelena' Black Widow will be key to Kate Bishop's development and might help integrate Daredevil into the MCU (by replacing Natasha). So you need Natasha there as well. Quicksilver COULD have introduced Tommy in his own solo project, but I think Marvel Studios was content to let Wanda and Vision do it because Billy and Tommy are their kids. I believe a lot of the shows and movies in Phase 4 are about passing torches (I think Secret Invasion, Armor Wars, She-Hulk, Loki, WandaVision, Black Widow, Thor 4, Ant-Man 3, and possibly Spider-Man 3 are sort of hinting in that direction). I also think whoever Marvel Studios is casting as older Tommy will be WAY cheaper than Evan Peters or ATJ. I just can't figure how they're gonna have TWO Maximoff speedsters in the MCU going forward. Believe me I've tried, but I don't think they're gonna do it. That's why I'm in favor of giving Pietro "content" to Tommy.
"To the X-men then, who donīt die the old fashioned way and no matter how hard we try, none of us die forever" Uncanny X-Men #270, Jean and Ororo
Magneto: The master of magnetism Appreciation 2022
Polaris: The Mistress of Magnetism Appreciation 2022
House of M Appreciation 2022
I don't think Englehart hated Quicksilver. I think he didn't know what to do with Pietro, and tried to make him compelling in his own way. But the years he wrote him I think really damaged his reputation. Most comic book readers think he's an asshole now. I also thought his hot-headedness was somewhat related to his "father" Magneto. Which is a reason I'm not a huge fan of their association. Sometimes Wanda treats him unfairly too. If I found out my brother's wife was stepping out on him, I would have supported my bro all the way. But I felt like Wanda didn't really do that. In any case, if he had a classic story (the Flashes have had several over at DC), Marvel Studios wouldn't have whacked him so early on. Sucks that all the Avengers from the first three phases are getting projects, and Pietro gets NONE!
But that doesn't really have to do with how those characters are portrayed in the comics. Yelena Belova has nothing to do with the Young Avengers at all IIRC, and isn't even really an important character. Pietro could've introduced Luna, for instance, but that wasn't in Marvel's plans. But even he's much more relevant to Young Avengers than Black Widow ever was
Plus, Thor doesn't seem to be passing it on to any younger heroes in the MCU
Yelena Belova is gonna be on whatever team Valentina is setting up. Which also consists of US Agent. So most likely Dark Avengers or Thunderbolts. YA is something separate.
Love is for souls, not bodies.
I like Englehartīs writting and I donīt know his feelings for Pietro, what I do know is that he wrote him as a villain for the Avengers and a personal foil for Wanda and Visionīs relationship for years while other writers tried to change this by saying he was being mind controlled all the time. Still this definitely had an effect on Pietroīs character as well as Englehartīs long time run on Avengers titles and he was such an important writer for the Avengers that others writers have taken his version of Pietro as the definitive one, so much that Whedon, who was a big Vision and Wanda shipper, gave this argument as a way to explain why he decided to kill ATJ Pietro early, it was his way of cleaning the path towards Vision and Wanda "happy ending". I agree with you Wanda taking Crystal side after her cheating of Pietro was weird and something I think he probably should be brought between them when they interact imo.
I think Pietro always has been temperamental and impulsive, way before the retcon of Magneto being his father so I think PAD explanation is great, that he canīt turn off his powers so he sees everybody around him being slow, all day, every day and this plays right into his impulsive and impatient side. Magneto is also temeperamental but not the same way Pietro is. I donīt think his temperament is bad on itīs own,itīs something that gives him his own personality and when written well, plays off well with Wandaīs more introspective nature and thanks to PAD is something he has been working on for years, itīs just that new readers and writers tend to forget this about him.
So I just think he needs his own solo story in comics and I hope Feige has a story for him on the MCU with either Peters version or ATJ one.
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"To the X-men then, who donīt die the old fashioned way and no matter how hard we try, none of us die forever" Uncanny X-Men #270, Jean and Ororo
Magneto: The master of magnetism Appreciation 2022
Polaris: The Mistress of Magnetism Appreciation 2022
House of M Appreciation 2022
Maybe Yelena will join the Young Avengers, maybe she won't. But it's very likely that she WILL have ties with Kate Bishop (who I understand is a really important Young Avenger). So there will be connections. And while perhaps Yelena isn't an important hero, she can EASILY take Natasha's stories from the comics and incorporate them into her character's arc in the MCU. They're both Russian spies. Interchangeable to a certain extent. Sort of like Rhodey replacing Stark in Armor Wars. War Machine is literally incorporating Iron Man's most important story from the comic books and making it his own in the MCU. Rhodey and Stark are both dudes who wear metal suits. Again somewhat interchangeable. I can see Thor being replaced by Beta Ray Bill somewhere down the line. And Beta Ray Bill can make some of Thor's stories as his own if he does. Actors/actresses can't play characters for twenty years, so I don't mind similar characters from the comic books "sharing" stories. I don't wanna see exact one-to-one adaptations from the source material. That's SO boring. Why watch the movies/shows when you can read the comic books then? I like it how the MCU continues to diverge from the comics while still remaining true to the characters and stories. Pietro indeed could have introduced Luna and that would have been fun (but I could easily done without Pietro's and Crystal's toxic relationship), but obviously that wasn't in the cards. I would have enjoyed seeing that, to be honest. I agree with journey. Sad to say, but I kinda gave up on any Quicksilver coming back after WandaVision. That was the PERFECT opportunity to bring him back. But it didn't happen unfortunately. I want Pietro's legacy to live on in Tommy. I believe in teapartyofthedead when she says she thinks that there's a lot of potential in Tommy.
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But it's very likely that Kate will have some interaction with Yelena. That would connect whatever team Yelena's team is part of with the Young Avengers (although it might not be much of a connection). All I'm saying is that in order for Yelena to show up in the Hawkeye series, she needed to be in the Black Widow movie. That's part of the reason Natasha got her own solo project. I think Marvel Studios thought they only needed Wanda and Vision to introduce Tommy, and cut out MCU Pietro completely from the story. I really REALLY disagreed with that decision. But I understand that Disney probably wanted to bank off the success of the Fox version of the character and tease mutants and multiverses in WandaVision to drive up ratings. And it worked. If ATJ returned as a "construct", then yes, Pietro would have been Tommy's uncle. That would have been awesome. But the ratings probably wouldn't have been as great. I wasn't hoping for a solo Quicksilver project. I was hoping he could have a decent role in WandaVision. But that train has left the station. Which is why I'm putting my hopes into Tommy Maximoff. I think it's a bit ridiculous going forward Billy and Tommy will have Ralph Bohner as their "uncle", however. Like journey said, if Pietro is not coming back, what's so wrong in cheering on another Maximoff speedster? It's definitely not my preferred situation, but I totally accept it.
Ralph Bohner is not their uncle. He was just a guy that was manipulated by Agatha. He's gone back to his regular life.
I think the decision to get rid of Pietro was done by Whedon long ago. And probably was never linked to Tommy. Because if they were going by replacements, they'd have also killed off Wanda so Billy could take her place.
Love is for souls, not bodies.
Idk if anyone's asking for 1 to 1 adaptation. But when the changes are worse, people should complain. The 'I can just read the comics' is a a fallacy IMO. To some extent, I watch these movies to see familiar characters be adapted. I'm open to improvements but they actually have to be improvements (like dumping secret identities) and not like wasting Pietro
I agree WandaVision would've been a good place to bring him back