Sure of course it makes a difference to peoples expectations, but people being surprised that it's a solo and not a team book is not something I was commenting on. This does not make a difference to my post which was that it was no surprise that Robin had a book at all, that Robin being in a book was a sure bet. So when I asked you whether it being specifically a solo title made any difference, I was referring to whether or not acknowledging that it was a solo title would necessarily make a difference to the argument that it has any correlation to Red Hood or any other bats receiving a book. Whether it's a team book or a solo book I don't think it has any correlation to that, and you seem to agree.
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I acknowledge that this is my strong opinions about Lobdell's run, but I wonder what would have happened sales-wise with a better ongoing (again, imo). Perhaps beyond the beginning of Rebirth, I never found much enthusiasm even among fans of the character like me. But I know that's purely anecdotical and most likely biased.
In any case, yes, while there's some overlap, videogame and comic audiences are very different as a whole. At least, if his popularity outside comics is as tangible as it seems, DC can take some notes and see what to do with him in the comics that could take advantage of that.
Speaking of video games and comics, I wonder if we'll see a comic book tie-in of Gotham Knights, that might be neat.
That is false, Jason status as an outlaw, his relationship Kori, Roy, Artemis, and Bizarro, and his more amicable relationship with Bruce has seeped into the fandom and has become part of how is perceived by most people familiar with the character you just need to look at all the fanwork that has been and is still being created on the website of your preference. The ones that cling to the UtRH are either completely new fans or people who simply never liked the Outlaws.
That's why I say the popularity of Jason OUTSIDE comics, since we were discussing that aspect of Jason.
Jason is pretty popular outside comics, but this popularity relied in his death and resurrection as an antihero (since he doesn't have a lot of other stories outside comics).
I don't think it has a correlation either. Although I worry that a Nightwing solo, a Robin solo and a lot of Batman books will mean a lot of bad guest appearances for Jason. I've already read enough stories by Tynion and Taylor to know that they like to prop up their favorites by making other characters look bad. And I fear that Joshua Williamson isn't that different. The idea that - once again - Jason gets butchered in other titles and doesn't have his own solo to "defend" himself and show the "true" Jason is kind of dreadful.
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Following on the whole "Red Hood's popularity being especially big outside comics", he's got some nice lined-up appearances as well as some potential ones, so it's only going to be better in that regard.
Off the top of my head:
- Gotham Knights
- Titans (possibly a spin-off?)
- maybe Injustice 3 (he was the most requested DLC iirc, so they might want to have in the base game)
- Young Justice (is this good btw?)
Hopefully, when they make new Batman animated movies, he'll show up and in a more post-N52 position. We've had enough of UtRH thanks to the movie and the latest gimmick one.
The only Robin I feel bad for is poor Tim. Haven't read his FS stuff, but I hope it's good and he gets **** to do during IF. I wonder if they'll have him abandon the Red Robin mantle or at least make it more differentiated than just grown-up Robin (I miss the cowl).
Oh, didn't know about that. I've been meaning to start it, it's been a while since I last watch American TV animation.
Also, now that we brought Gotham Knights up, there's an Lexcorp easter egg in there. It was dissapointing (yet understandable) that Rocksteady decided to continue working on the Arkhamverse, so I hope Gotham Knights can also sprout another universe on their own. At the very least, we know the Justice League is a thing, since Tim teleports by hacking into their satellite.