I’ll admit, if they were to reunite her with the Phoenix Force and give her back the codename, I wouldn’t complain. However, maybe it’s because I only recently (within the last six months) read Bendis’ run, but I grew so enamored with what he did with her - the way in which he underscored her key character traits, expanded on the scale and scope of her powers sans the Phoenix Force, mended and deepened her relationships with several characters, including Scott and Emma, and, overall, fleshed out her mythos - that I truly see that time and the stories and writers (e.g., Hopeless, Taylor, et al.) that came after as a new jumping-off point for her.
I want to see those stories from 2012-2019 inform her character today. Granted, I have grown increasingly pleased with the way she has been written over the course of the last several months, and I suspect the writing for her is only going to get better, deeper, and more illuminating, so I’m certainly not complaining. Nevertheless, I want the writers to continue to explore her many facets separate and apart from the Phoenix Force for now. It would come across too gimmicky if they bonded her with it again so soon. I would rather the writers highlight why it was so drawn to her, which is something I think Bendis did brilliantly.
Maybe in a few years, after they’ve finished establishing her within the upcoming new status quo, they can revisit her connection to the Phoenix Force, and it will feel fresh and new again. For now, I’m content. She’s in the flagship title, which I genuinely enjoy, and Duggan seems to be slowly mining her, i.e., her strengths and capabilities, while also treating her with much dignity and reverence. I just have this feeling I can’t quite articulate that the next couple of years are going to be great for her.
Last edited by Mercury; 09-25-2021 at 05:49 AM.
We can see Jean has limitless Phoenix powers. It’s why Jean as Phoenix was able to save the universe twice. She’s an avatar, like the human incarnation of a god. Almost everyone else is simply possessed by it.
She with strategy took down Knull, who defeated all of Earth’s heroes. The High Evolutionary speaks to Jean as a peer.
I was mad the first time I heard about Morrison breaking them up. But that was before I'd read any comics lol
As for the quote, yeah it's pretty cringey and trash, but it's stereotypical for writers that focus on Cyke.
No one says they have to use Marvel Woman, that's not an excuse. They just don't care that much about the character. Which is fine, they aren't going to give your Dazzlers or Oyas, etc any thought either lol
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Are you just trolling, Kitty? You seem like you’re just trying to upset some posters who are moving the current X-books and the current Jean.
I’m not suggesting you like anything you don’t, but why repeat the same points? It’s not changing anything at Marvel or among the fans? What are you gaining from this?
You know thins that writers or editors did to get rid of Jean, her two main deaths, really just made her a much stronger and confident character long term.
Look at all the development her psychic powers received under the Bendjs era. She may not use the pink
Form, but the extent of her power was revealed against the Knull and when she contacted the Silver Surfer. She has now officially surpassed Xavier.
Bendis snd the current writers in a sense went with the original Phoenix concept of Jean simply achieving her full potential as a psi.
They just don’t call he pink form of the stuff she does now Phoenix.
We said it before, the thing tbe Phoenix brought Jean originally was the cosmic awareness to do anything with her powers. She had the capability all along. Now we see her develop the ability to do these things herself, and it’s why she is the prime host.
Just calling it as I see it. Also, Hickman made a point of saying she does not have the same potential that she used to. Exodus does, maybe. And the pink form isn't a thing anymore, per the editor.
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Please do provide a source for this.
Just to clarify, this is what White said. (And, honestly, I can't believe we're back to this again ).
https://aiptcomics.com/2019/02/25/x-...nd-baconators/AiPT!: Joshua Chayne (@JoshuaChayne) had a question about Jean Grey (who appears in that Marvelous eXclusive image above) and her powers. Since both teen and adult Jean are the same character, does adult Jean now have the pink psi-body and psi-raptor power-up that the time-displaced Jean developed?
Jordan: The answer is yes, but in regards to whether she will start using it, that remains to be seen. If you look at it from her point of view, it’s like she just remembered about this thing she used to do when she was a teenager. She hasn’t used it in a decade… well, I guess less, depending on how long she was dead, but you get my point. It’s not part of her routine, it’s not part of how she normally does things. I am sure there are things we all did all the time 10 years ago that we could still do, if we give it a go, but which are no longer our go-to things. For example, I used to play the keyboard a lot. I am sure if I sat down at one, I could work out how to do it again… but when I want to play music now, I play the ukulele.
And this statement was made when Hickman's era was just getting ready to start.
I agree. Also, she is an Omega Level mutant, which defines her as having limitless telepathic powers, so what you say certainly has been substantiated and is canon. That moment Duggan gave Jean with the High Evolutionary speaks a lot about not only her but how Duggan views her. It's a good sign, amongst many others he's given us.
Not many people caught this moment in Cable #12, but while Esme helps Jean keep Stryfe’s powers “in check,” it is Jean who both telekinetically removes his helmet and, after Esme says “finish it,” telepathically snatches his powers.
I do not put credence in Stryfe being a psychic. Logically, I know he is, but he is just….such a terrible character in my opinion. Like…..he was supposed to be Cable without the limits of the TO Virus….yet his power showings and character motivations just suck so badly.
I think I am more glad that Jean didn’t succumb to any Stryfe feats instead of Jean having feats on Stryfe.
She is no longer an Omega TK, per Hickman. By that definition, she does not have that kind of limitless potential. There was a note specifically about Jean Grey in the data page we are talking about. Don't very lightly gaslight me lol. As for White, why did you bold that first part? He goes on to try to explain that she, to mix in the metaphor, doesn't play keyboard anymore.
Last edited by Kitty&Piotr<3; 09-25-2021 at 10:45 AM.
First, I wasn't trying to gaslight you; I don't play those games. Second, as I suspected, Hickman never did say "she does not have the same potential that she used to." Thirdly, and most importantly, can you or anyone else direct me to the panel or page in which she was ever categorized as having Omega Level telekinesis? I know we like to assume that due to the fact that her initial Omega Level classification was a catch-all that included both of her power sets. However, in the past, i.e., prior to Hickman's run, I have only ever seen her referred to as an "Omega Level telepath" on-panel.
As for why I bolded the first part of White's quote, I did so because it is the most important part of his statement. You see, he established what the constant (i.e., what is set in stone and considered canon) of Jean's powers is - i.e., her capabilities as displayed during her time-displacement - while he also elaborated on the variable (i.e., what is subject to change) of her powers - i.e., her capabilities as she chooses, or chose back in 2019, to express them. The latter isn't so important to me because it is subject to change. White himself makes this clear when he notes, "[I]n regards to whether she will start using it, that remains to be seen."
I am more focused on what has been established as canon, which, essentially, is the toolbox that current and future writers can pull from to render their versions of our beloved characters. Per White, Jean's toolbox includes all that she did as a time-displaced teenager, since, after all, they are considered one and the same character, i.e., the latter isn't considered an alternate version of current Jean. Furthermore, White's statement regarding how she was choosing to use her powers in 2019 is understandable, especially if we take into consideration the fact that Hickman was on the verge of becoming the "Head of X" and would obviously go on to use her in a different way, i.e., for the most part, put her on the backburner.
Nevertheless, your absolute statements about what she can and cannot do anymore and regarding how Marvel views her as a character not only continue to puzzle me but are also based on your own subjective view and not on what has been shown in the comics and expressed by the creatives in interviews.