Well I couldnt find the article as the marvel site doesn't list anything before 2017 about valentines day, maybe even some writers asked to erase because it would destroy they progressive clout.
But i'm not suprised that writers were showing misoginy in 2011 to defend a couple they like. At the time it was normal sexism on comics, it was another Wednesday. Just recently things got more progressive, that even Jean was allowed to do things on her own and be alive again.
It's a massive rewriting of Scott and Jean romantic story. They were a matured couple, they weren't even teenagers when they started dating.
Then writers went and blamed Cyclops being boring on Jean, that she hold him back with the conclusion that she was better off dead because fo that. It's so wrong, put all the problems of a man on the shoulders of a female character.
Funny that the first opportunity he put Jean and Scott back together, so I just expecting the awful twist on this
Well I'm sure that Remender like Bendis would make Teen Jean work well.
I'm with you here
Marvel.com had a major revamp over the years so a lot of that material is gone, although I don't completely mind because the 2000s were all about Scemma content especially when it came to top couples. And even when there was Jott material, they kept finding ways to shade Jean. The editorial bias against Jean was so apparent back then and they didn't even bother to hide it.
Things are getting better or they're supposedly getting better on paper but Hickman is very much a writer from that era with the same views, which is why we've basically regressed back to the Fraction era, just with Xavier and Moira now included. Even Krakoa is just an updated version of Utopia.
Remender is a huge Jean fan, which I don't think is something he's even outright said, but it's so obvious just going by how much he included her in UXF. Besides her major role as AoA Jean, he really established the links she has with Logan and Betsy (and it was so refreshing to not see Jean and Betsy pitted against each other as rivals), to the point that Betsy and Warren name one of their daughters after her. If this wasn't AoA Jean but 616 Jean, I'm sure we'd have seen more of Jean and Warren's friendship there as well. With Hickman, I'm shocked he put Jott back together, since he's never hidden that he prefers Scemma but maybe this has been editorially mandated since it doesn't seem that STD of a couple is allowed to come back together in Marvel now.
“Strength is the lot of but a few privileged men; but austere perseverance, harsh and continuous, may be employed by the smallest of us and rarely fails of its purpose, for its silent power grows irresistibly greater with time.” Goethe
I think my problem with Scemma and the strong Scott push is that it came from a sexist place and at te cost of Jean Grey. No wonder along the years writers/editors were still taking shots on Jean.
I rarely trust writers, specially that Hickman was on the Hate Jean Boat with others writers. He didn't became a shipper, he just writing what fits the story. A big happy family to champion krakoa, but it wont last
I had no idea h was a big Jean fan. Really wish he had a chance to write the adult one. bendis only had the chance to write the teen version, I think this wasnt good for the adult Jean. Writers just ignored his job easily, it would be harder to ifgnore if it was adult Jean
I think the writers that never entered that Boat were Aaron, Remender, Bendis.
You both make great points which I won't argue as much of a fan as I am of Hickman, Ewing and Wells do a MUCH better job than him with character interactions and characterizations. In many ways I wish they had as much influence as him because his vision with their writing could improve a lot of areas in which readers complain about lacking. He can write interesting dialogue which I enjoy but it can come across as very cold, unfamiliar ESPECIALLY with a franchise like the X-men which are enriched by familial interactions. I did feel his style went better with the Avengers and FF oddly enough!
Honestly, there are 100 things Hickman could have done with Jean in this era given her recent history and somehow he's ignore literally all of it. Heck, I genuinely thought during HOP/POX when it was mentioned a mutant was on the Shiar throne that maybe just maybe Hickman was going to turn the Shiar and Grey conflict on it's head and maybe have a Grey/Summer occupy the throne, so of course he instead heavy handily forces Sam and Roberto into that narrative.
I don't have the interview but I can confirm whitecrown statements, I've been on this sub for a long time, and around the Fraction era there were monthly or near bi-monthly interviews in the early 10's if not a little before with the Marvel writers. In those interviews virtually EVERY writer who were asked about Jean and Scemma basically said in no uncertain terms, Jean deserved to die. Moreover how much better of a partner Emma was to Scott in every way, Jean was the girl he loved, Emma was the woman he needed, that last line was actually in a comic under Gillen.
Finally, my favorite thing about that period was this, Matt Fraction the then writer of Uncanny X-men said, "if Scott has steak (Emma) why would he need lobster (Jean) from 2004-2012 it was not a fun time to be a Jean fan. Her return was alluded to in nearly EVERY major event only for them to say "psych" and then say Jean basically doesn't have a place in the X-men anymore.
That did happen!
I'm still unconvinced, nothing from them has given me he's a shipper though this could be exactly how he envisions their relationship which is sort of sad for no other reasons than he would have written Scemma SO MUCH better than what he's doing with Jott.
See above, statement.
Funnily enough, while Tom Taylor is beloved by a lot of Jean fans, some Wonder Woman fans started a thread asking if he was misogynistic due to his writing of her in the Injustice comics. It all depends on who your favorite is in the end.
Depends on the matarial source of the universe. Injustice is a sexist story, Wonder Woman took the biggest hit, even worse than Superman. Hard to make it work, her story mkes zero sense.
Hickman is very consistent on his female portrayals
Sure a writer could ignore it, but it owuld be a lot harder to do. like JDW ignoring the pink form, he couldn't sy it was when she was a teenager so she "forgot" about it.
All new x-men was the best part about bendis run but also really easy to ignore
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X men Red was a great opportunity to develop the pink form ... But ... Forgotten