Jean Grey / Phoenix Appreciation 2021

[andreikes]

Who wrote this? They're totally misreading the scene. I take it as a sign that Jean has been holding off on and knows she's about to undergo a big change.

Also, the fact that they skipped over everything else - the ease, strength, and grace with which Duggan wrote Jean declaring her mission, owning her strength and altruism, and defeating Nightmare - makes me suspicious...

https://aiptcomics.com/2021/10/13/x-men-4-review/

[loke13]

I didn't read it as Jean saying she's an Omega level telepath and TK. I think it just applies to the telepathy part IMO.

Agreed. But I can understand how people can get confused reading that bit of dialogue. Compound it with the snafu involving Emma in the latest Wolverine issue and you got some posters jumping at the bits.

[Spiderfan001]

Prelude said, spoilers:

Nightmare even succeeded in imprisoning Eternity

end of spoilers. Then saw the comicvine, but the scenes followed, reminded me of Hulk and Loki's encounter in MCU => "Puny God..." spoilers:

with the bitch slappin' and all

end of spoilers.

Yeah Jean really puny god-ed Nightmare.

I didn't read it as Jean saying she's an Omega level telepath and TK. I think it just applies to the telepathy part IMO.

Agreed, doesn't change the fact she is still an alpha level+ TK as in extremely powerful.

[Soulsword323]

I thought today's issue was pretty great for Jean. Nice to see flexing her telepathy skills to get the better of Nightmare. The dress scene largely felt like trolling to me IMO, because so many people bug the X-office about it. It was the only thing I didn't like because I doubt Jean cares much at all what Emma thinks of her clothes.

[Rising7]

Scott's nightmare got me hoping that more of Jean's O5-in-present days would be referenced. Alas maybe in the future. Those times are mentioned few and far between so any bit we get is oddly exciting for me. But otherwise a surprising delight to get this much Jean action in #4.

[jwatson]

Agreed. But I can understand how people can get confused reading that bit of dialogue. Compound it with the snafu involving Emma in the latest Wolverine issue and you got some posters jumping at the bits.

proper english to seperate the two would have been adding an "a" before telekinetic so it seems pretty intentional to me.

[WallStreeter]

I didn't read it as Jean saying she's an Omega level telepath and TK. I think it just applies to the telepathy part IMO.

Jeen was referenced. Remember she had the telepathic ability to collect psychic energies and massively boost her telekinetic powers. When Jeen really developed her telepathic powers her telekinesis got a huge boost.

[WallStreeter]

Scott's nightmare got me hoping that more of Jean's O5-in-present days would be referenced. Alas maybe in the future. Those times are mentioned few and far between so any bit we get is oddly exciting for me. But otherwise a surprising delight to get this much Jean action in #4.

I think it’s clear we see more of Jean’s past as Jeen.

[ExodusCloak]

Jeen was referenced. Remember she had the telepathic ability to collect psychic energies and massively boost her telekinetic powers. When Jeen really developed her telepathic powers her telekinesis got a huge boost.

It's missing a comma. It should probably read I am an omega level telepath, and telekinetic.

[Conor]

Jean spoilers:

bitch slapping Nightmare was EVERYTHING

end of spoilers

[Mercury]

I thought today's issue was pretty great for Jean. Nice to see flexing her telepathy skills to get the better of Nightmare. The dress scene largely felt like trolling to me IMO, because so many people bug the X-office about it. It was the only thing I didn't like because I doubt Jean cares much at all what Emma thinks of her clothes.

I disagree. I'm going to post what I wrote in the X-Men review thread for this issue, but I want to clarify that the pointedness is not directed at you. I'm just too lazy to rewrite or edit this:

Firstly, by their nature, dreams usually belie “deeper,” more profound meanings and truths. Secondly, I may have read that scene as trolling had he not included the part after the ellipsis: “It’s not for me…or you.” Considering that this is Jean’s nightmare and that all players in dreams represent a facet of the dreamer’s psyche, i.e., usually the subconscious, I interpret this moment as Jean telling herself “this is not you.” Moreover, weeks ago, Duggan replied to a fan who asked him to change her costume with the following, “I hear you. 🥃,” which many read as a “just wait,” so there are a few reasons to interpret this scene as I am.

Finally, nothing Duggan has written for Jean, be it in Cable, Planet Size X-Men, or in the current series, has indicated that he dislikes or would reduce himself to shading her. On the contrary, in each of those titles, he has consistently chosen to write her respectfully, imbuing her with strength, dignity, and assertiveness. Furthermore, time and again, even outside of this series, he has made it a point of spotlighting her as a leader. Ultimately, if you choose to read this as an insipid and sophomoric dig - mind you, per your admission, without having read the rest of the issue or how Duggan handles her throughout - that’s on you.

[Spiderfan001]

proper english to seperate the two would have been adding an "a" before telekinetic so it seems pretty intentional to me.

Even if it was, which I don't think it is(it sounds much better without a coma or an "a") it's Jean saying that.Doesn't mean she is, because unlike before when we had to go on character statements we have an actual list now.For example we've seen characters saying that another character is stronger than the hulk and/or even narrator saying such stuff.

Again no shade on Jean, she still one of the strongest TK users out there, but I can live w/ the fact that it's not limitless.Not to mention TK does not mean her psionic pink form which she should still have from what writers/editors have said but we have seen her die multiple times and still hasn't used it.I'd much rather address that first.

It's missing a comma. It should probably read I am an omega level telepath, and telekinetic.

Probably, or they left it out to make it sound better and/or to spark conversation which clearly worked.

Jean spoilers:

bitch slapping Nightmare was EVERYTHING

end of spoilers

It really was.She slapped his Horse's butt at the end as well

[Mercury]

Here's my final verdict on the powers comment: It's obvious they didn't suddenly decide to classify her as an Omega Level telekinetic, but the wording is deliciously ambiguous and allows me to promote her as BOTH an Omega Level telepath and telekinetic.

[Havok83]

So much for all the gloom and doom when it was announced that Duggan would be writing Jean here. She has been AWESOME in his book

[Soulsword323]

I disagree. I'm going to post what I wrote in the X-Men review thread for this issue, but I want to clarify that the pointedness is not directed at you. I'm just too lazy to rewrite or edit this:

I get where you're coming from. I can see why people see this scene as an allusion to Jean getting a new costume, and I don't disagree with that interpretation. It very well could be a hint at to what's to come for Jean.