Jean Grey / Phoenix Appreciation 2021

[Subliminally]

Am I alone in thinking that every telepath, especially one as skilled as Jean, should be at a 5 or 6 on the intelligent rating? Jean stored Xavier's entire mind so I don't think it's that far fetched to say she could download everything the likes of Tony Stark or Mr. Fantastic know. Hell she downloaded Beast's bio knowledge when she put Emma back together.

[Mercury]

Starting to read Jean Grey (2017) again. I love how this series both remained faithful to her roots and modernized her. I am itching for a writer to explore how Jean juggles and reconciles her memories from her life continuity and her time travels. From Jean Grey #1:

[Phoenixx9]

I have a question about Mental Powers Level 6: Definition seems to indicate that multiple developed mental powers are necessary which then makes the person a psionic master. It is not an "either/or". Am I reading this correctly?

[Grinning Soul]

Am I alone in thinking that every telepath, especially one as skilled as Jean, should be at a 5 or 6 on the intelligent rating? Jean stored Xavier's entire mind so I don't think it's that far fetched to say she could download everything the likes of Tony Stark or Mr. Fantastic know. Hell she downloaded Beast's bio knowledge when she put Emma back together.

That's the problem with that stat, right? It really depends on how you define intelligence.

Do you see intelligence as amount of knowledge? The ability to invent things? The skills to navigate social circumstances? Mental computing power? Problem-solving speed?

[Subliminally]

That's the problem with that stat, right? It really depends on how you define intelligence.

Do you see intelligence as amount of knowledge? The ability to invent things? The skills to navigate social circumstances? Mental computing power? Problem-solving speed?

And each person may have a different response, true.

Personally I would gauge it on the amount of knowledge.

[Mercury]

I have a question about Mental Powers Level 6: Definition seems to indicate that multiple developed mental powers are necessary which then makes the person a psionic master. It is not an "either/or". Am I reading this correctly?

You are correct.

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Here’s our girl casting both soothing and horrific illusions:

[Subliminally]

See that right there is a missed opportunity. She doesn't speak Japanese but she's a telepath so download the language and presto, no more language barrier.

[Mercury]

See that right there is a missed opportunity. She doesn't speak Japanese but she's a telepath so download the language and presto, no more language barrier.

And she could’ve done it, too, b/c she’s downloaded intel before! Still, I chalk it up to her being a teenager just having discovered her telepathic abilities.

[Grinning Soul]

And each person may have a different response, true.

Personally I would gauge it on the amount of knowledge.

Then in this case, yes: Jean should have a higher stat, especially because, once upon a time, she had perfect recollection. That means that everything she absorbed telepathically wouldn't be lost. Ever.

That's not how I see intelligence, though.

[Subliminally]

And she could’ve done it, too, b/c she’s downloaded intel before! Still, I chalk it up to her being a teenager just having discovered her telepathic abilities.

Ahh, yeah I never really read any of the time displaced X-men stuff so I'm muddy at best when it comes to Teen Jean's capabilities at that point.

[Devaishwarya]

So she has above average intelligence. And...? Sounds about right as she's neither gifted nor genius.

[Grinning Soul]

So she has above average intelligence. And...? Sounds about right as she's neither gifted nor genius.

I suppose most of us agree, Deva. This conversation started because another poster thought her stat was close to zero because of how weird that graph is.

[Phoenixx9]

You are correct.

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Thanks Merc.

[Subliminally]

I suppose most of us agree, Deva. This conversation started because another poster thought her stat was close to zero because of how weird that graph is.

I miss the simplicity of the bar graphs.

[PyroFN]

She said she didn't get an A, so may be she just passed.Have we seen her be smart?Although it's Leah so maybe it's unreliable.

Spider-man's a 4 and he has constantly held his own against Iron-man(Hacked his systems 4 times on seperate ocassions) and Reed(hacked his inhibitor collar, defused bomb that Reed and Tony couldn't etc.) in smarts.Both have admitted he's smart af , along w/ people like Banner,Blue Marvel,Hank Pym(said he was much smarter than him) and Beast.He should be a 5 minimum going 6.He has the feats to back all this up.

These rankings are incredibly unreliable.Although does Jean have some smarts Idk about, because 3 as an avg. makes sense.If she does then it's a 4.

If I am not correct, she is stated somewhere as one of Xavier’s most promising students. It is simultaneously a hint at her potential and her average as a student, really. She is never stated to be a genius like Hank or anything, but Xavier has taught her in use and fixing of Cerebro since she was young. I would surmise she above average intelligence is a good rating, despite how low on the intelligence graph she is. It speaks more of how cutthroat the intelligence field is, rather than a reflection on Jean herself.