Jean Grey / Phoenix Appreciation 2021

[Havok83]

They just reset a bit of his personality, makes zero sense for him acting like this. if he is ok with Krakoa he is morally grey

So he is a family man so he has to return to Jean Grey to get his boy scout badge? this is a very sexist way of dealin with women and relationships

Being okay with Krakoa does not make a character morally grey. Emma is morally grey bc of what she did to Shaw, hiding it from the Council, not to mention condoning the questionable things the Maraurders have done such as maiming people. I dont think Scott or Jean would be okay with any of that and would call her out had they been present

And FYI, Scott was already back to being like this before he and Jean reunited. We saw that in the 15 issues of Uncanny that Rosenberg wrote. He and Emma werent aligned in their ideologies there either. He was brought back with a back to basics persona and that had nothing to do with sticking him back with Jean. That came later

[Rang10]

It's almost like there's such a thing as people, including other writers coming in, interpreting things differently. He wrote Ernst as Cassandra Nova rehabilitaded and Whedon came in retconning that right after he was gone. Don't we constantly talk about how we disagree with Morrison that Jean was being distant and "not a good wife" and that was what caused the affair? Isn't Jott back after previous writers saying they didn't work anymore? Etc.

This is moot s writers at the time wanted Jean dead than alive, much less dating Wolverine

[Wiccan]

This is moot s writers at the time wanted Jean dead than alive, much less dating Wolverine

Which is why I said "If she hadn't died". Plus, there were some writers who wanted her alive.

[Havok83]

Which is why I said "If she hadn't died". Plus, there were some writers who wanted her alive.

Shoot we know most definitely had Claremont been able to use her in his UXM, he'd most likely pair her with Logan

[Rang10]

Shoot we know most definitely had Claremont been able to use her in his UXM, he'd most likely pair her with Logan

His run on uncanny had like 20 issues and he said she should be dead too

Being okay with Krakoa does not make a character morally grey. Emma is morally grey bc of what she did to Shaw, hiding it from the Council, not to mention condoning the questionable things the Maraurders have done such as maiming people. I dont think Scott or Jean would be okay with any of that and would call her out had they been present

And FYI, Scott was already back to being like this before he and Jean reunited. We saw that in the 15 issues of Uncanny that Rosenberg wrote. He and Emma werent aligned in their ideologies there either. He was brought back with a back to basics persona and that had nothing to do with sticking him back with Jean. That came later

Krakoa is full of moral failings, the charcters were twisted to accept that. Scott did a lot worse than that, of course he would be ok with it.

When Rosenberg was writing Uncanny he alredy knew Hickman would put together Jean and Scott, so it was one of the intentions

Which is why I said "If she hadn't died". Plus, there were some writers who wanted her alive.

You are talking a 0,05% possibility.

[Havok83]

His run on uncanny had like 20 issues and he said she should be dead too

Claremont loves Jean and would have written her had he had access to her. Instead he made due with what he was able to work with.

[Kitty&Piotr<3]

Claremont has said it was a mistake bringing her back.

[Havok83]

Claremont has said it was a mistake bringing her back.

As for posters telling others that Jean is definitely going to be with Cyclops and anything else will be temporary...we know. Lol

That was originally back in the 80s bc of the impact it did to his iconic story and then present plans with Cyclops. He didnt have the same feelings toward Jean's 2nd death. He loved writing her during his Revolution run and he used her multiple times in X-treme as well as in the Wolverine anniversary issue he penned. He made her a focal point of his X-men Forever series as well. If she was alive and unclaimed after New X-men, he'd have used her in his Uncanny instead of Rachel. Im almost certain of that

[Rang10]

Claremont has said it was a mistake bringing her back.

Not only that, but editors and othe writers had another idea for Jean. it would be hipocrite of him not let Jean be dead

[Kitty&Piotr<3]

Not only that, but editors and othe writers had another idea for Jean. it would be hipocrite of him not let Jean be dead

Sadly, they don't have any ideas for her now either.

Looking to future things, thankfully, the movie people are a little more progressive and up with the times than the comics folks. If she does make it into the movies, hopefully a stronger, more modern take on the character will grab hold in the comics world.

But for now? Dishes, being scared to act during missions,, and "Scott has a plan".

[andreikes]

Perhaps Jean's problem is with male writers?

"Hickman posted an image of Phil Noto's House of X #1 variant with Krakoan letters over it which read "Free thighs for a free people." " 2019

[Phoenixx9]

Any mention of a new X-Men cartoon with Jean?

[Rang10]

Any mention of a new X-Men cartoon with Jean?

I don't know anything about a new x-men cartoon

[Kitty&Piotr<3]

Perhaps Jean's problem is with male writers?

"Hickman posted an image of Phil Noto's House of X #1 variant with Krakoan letters over it which read "Free thighs for a free people." " 2019

Well yeah, definitely. She AND Storm both need female writers.

[Daedra]

Well yeah, definitely. She AND Storm both need female writers.

Be careful what you wish for she may get the Brexit Braddock treatment from excalibur