Jean Grey / Phoenix Appreciation 2021

[HandofPrometheus]

Morrison had his own take on the Phoenix but at least it was respectable to Jean imo. She manifested the Phoenix and from what I gather, they were one and the same.

[Havok83]

I always took Morrison's interpretation was that Jean's secondary mutation was her ability to access and utilize the PF. She could share a portion of its powers with others (as she does in the future), but it is intimately hers

[ThePhoenix]

Well, Aaron can not leave the PF alone, can't he? Its really bad and sad what is happening with Force. Franklin was not always that important for the X-Men and Galactus can appear without him but the PF IS AN IMPORTANT part of the X-Mythos. The Phoenix also exists solely because of Jean too.


You want to do something new with Phoenix? Fine write a good story about the Force and its impact in the Multiverse, make Jean as Phoenix go on Cosmic Adventures, DO SOMETHING INTERESTING. Even with this new host drama is so bad and unnecessary.

Phoenix can not be Thor's mother since Thor used the powers of Gaea in Empyre. Not to mention that Emma rag dolled Thor in AVX hard. Also Phoenix has children and the first one being Rachel herself. It doesn't need retcon ones!! Still hope Hickman fixes this mess!

[Rang10]

I always took Morrison's interpretation was that Jean's secondary mutation was her ability to access and utilize the PF. She could share a portion of its powers with others (as she does in the future), but it is intimately hers

Well he made a lot of hosts including Quentin Quire, so writers conclusion was: everyone can be the Phoenix.

Yes, but even that was flawed.

Jean's powers via the solar flare had made a quantum leap from Marvel Girl to Phoenix, yet Moira (and later Charles) were worried that she could not handle the power. If her powers made that leap, she would be able to handle it. I do not know too many others who have that high level and cannot handle it. All the Heralds can handle their power, Thor can, Silver Surfer can, even Galactus can handle his power. Magneto can handle his, Charles his, Proteus his. Why, oh why can't Jean handle her powers??

Thor got a power up on his solo and not for a second anyone thought he would lose it.

It's always women losing it because too much power and seems like the XX make it hard to control it

Hickman can still use Phoenix even with Aaron also using, it just can be in the future with or without Jean

[otipep_90]

Well he made a lot of hosts including Quentin Quire, so writers conclusion was: everyone can be the Phoenix.

Not completely true. Morrison, like Claremont linked the Phoenix Force with Jean through her DNA, which extends to her bloodline and not just her mutation. Quentin is the only other host from 616 that Morrison created, and at the time of his introduction it was established that he was adopted. Since then Hope Summers (also of questionable parentage) was the only other host who was predestined to be a Phoenix host in the same way Rachel was. We still don’t know much about Quentin’s and Hope’s lineage.

Arron has made a real mess of the PF. At this point what would salvage the proper PF mythos is to reestablish why Jean, Rachel, Quentin, and Hope are the ideal PF hosts through a shared bloodline, which could be linked to the Cave Woman Jean.

[Havok83]

Not completely true. Morrison, like Claremont linked the Phoenix Force with Jean through her DNA, which extends to her bloodline and not just her mutation. Quentin is the only other host from 616 that Morrison created, and at the time of his introduction it was established that he was adopted. Since then Hope Summers (also of questionable parentage) was the only other host who was predestined to be a Phoenix host in the same way Rachel was. We still don’t know much about Quentin’s and Hope’s lineage.

Arron has made a real mess of the PF. At this point what would salvage the proper PF mythos is to reestablish why Jean, Rachel, Quentin, and Hope are the ideal PF hosts through a shared bloodline, which could be linked to the Cave Woman Jean.

I think he's referring to this. I doubt all these hosts were Jean descendants

[otipep_90]

I think he's referring to this. I doubt all these hosts were Jean descendants

The Phoenix has had other none terrestrial hosts, there is no reason why these other hosts aren’t linked to the PF in a similar way or are of Multiversal origins.

Jean and the X-Men PF hosts may share the same maternal haplogroup that links to Lady Phoenix. I guess that would make them distant cousins of Thor, unless the PF and not the Cavewoman is his mother.

[andreikes]

Where are the shiars when we need them most?

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[The Thunderbird]

Where are the shiars when we need them most?

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And speaking of the Shi'ar they had the Grey family killed all for nothing.

[Rang10]

And speaking of the Shi'ar they had the Grey family killed all for nothing.

Freaking true. Retcons made it comletely nosense

Not completely true. Morrison, like Claremont linked the Phoenix Force with Jean through her DNA, which extends to her bloodline and not just her mutation. Quentin is the only other host from 616 that Morrison created, and at the time of his introduction it was established that he was adopted. Since then Hope Summers (also of questionable parentage) was the only other host who was predestined to be a Phoenix host in the same way Rachel was. We still don’t know much about Quentin’s and Hope’s lineage.

Arron has made a real mess of the PF. At this point what would salvage the proper PF mythos is to reestablish why Jean, Rachel, Quentin, and Hope are the ideal PF hosts through a shared bloodline, which could be linked to the Cave Woman Jean.

So Morrison was insinuating that Quentin is a Grey? that is a disgrace...poor Grey family

Quentin should be totally out, if possible Hope too

[Devaishwarya]

Death of Greys was pretty much Claremont melodramatic nonsense to begin with.

[Rang10]

Death of Greys was pretty much Claremont melodramatic nonsense to begin with.

It was the editors idea.

[Nobodyworthnoting]

Yes, but even that was flawed.

Jean's powers via the solar flare had made a quantum leap from Marvel Girl to Phoenix, yet Moira (and later Charles) were worried that she could not handle the power. If her powers made that leap, she would be able to handle it. I do not know too many others who have that high level and cannot handle it. All the Heralds can handle their power, Thor can, Silver Surfer can, even Galactus can handle his power. Magneto can handle his, Charles his, Proteus his. Why, oh why can't Jean handle her powers??

because they have the mind and the body of cosmic beings and are borderline cosmic entities...

[Shadowcat]

When are they getting rid of the Marvel Girl moniker?

[Kitty&Piotr<3]

When are they getting rid of the Marvel Girl moniker?

Not until Hickman is done, so probably another 2-3 years.