Jean Grey / Phoenix Appreciation 2021

[Mercury]

[Kitty&Piotr<3]

Boo to the idea of Jean and Maddie interacting again.

If anything, have Emma and Maddie fight over him instead and leave Jean out of it.

But hopefully Maddie is being played as an independent character and allowed out of the "scorned ex-wife" box entirely.

[Mutant 77]

IMHO, the more Jean stays away from a romantic relationship with Scott, the better she can stand out as an interesting character.

By the way... what's wrong with adopting "Marvel Woman" as codename?

[Kitty&Piotr<3]

IMHO, the more Jean stays away from a romantic relationship with Scott, the better she can stand out as an interesting character.

This is pretty much fact, imo.

By the way... what's wrong with adopting "Marvel Woman" as codename?

In my opinion, it's long and clunky, too similar to Invisible Woman, it has nothing to do with her powers, Jean Grey works, she has Phoenix, etc.

[Tank]

IMHO, the more Jean stays away from a romantic relationship with Scott, the better she can stand out as an interesting character.

By the way... what's wrong with adopting "Marvel Woman" as codename?

Agree the less romance the better. It would have been better if she and Scott didnt get back together and they each did their own thing. Maybe they can get back together further down the line, but the jump to them being all lovey dovey again despite us never seeing their talk or agreement is just really unsatisfying. There was just too much history since the last time they were both back together to sweep behind the scenes like that.

Also Marvel Woman sounds lame to be honest. If not Jean Grey, Phoenix works just based on the fact that she has remade herself and come back from death so many times, plus her obvious connection to the force. If there can be multiple Wolverines, Spidermans etc there can be more than one Phoenix.

Or they can come up with any other name that are fitting that dont sound like it was made in the 60s. We really want to get away from that. How about Psyche? Esper? Those are just at the top of my head.

[Harpsikord]

Jean and Scott are great as they are. Keep her away from Logan and keep Scott away from Emma if we need to keep anyone away from anyone, those pairings have never brought anything positive to the other characters.

[Kitty&Piotr<3]

Nothing positive besides chemistry, conflict, intrigue, and a lack of annoying "destined romance" stuff like kids from the future and whatnot.

Agree the less romance the better. It would have been better if she and Scott didnt get back together and they each did their own thing. Maybe they can get back together further down the line, but the jump to them being all lovey dovey again despite us never seeing their talk or agreement is just really unsatisfying. There was just too much history since the last time they were both back together to sweep behind the scenes like that.

Also Marvel Woman sounds lame to be honest. If not Jean Grey, Phoenix works just based on the fact that she has remade herself and come back from death so many times, plus her obvious connection to the force. If there can be multiple Wolverines, Spidermans etc there can be more than one Phoenix.

Or they can come up with any other name that are fitting that dont sound like it was made in the 60s. We really want to get away from that. How about Psyche? Esper? Those are just at the top of my head.

I like "Psion".

But ultimately of course, they should stop trying to weaken her identity and give her her Phoenix back. Or let her go with Jean Grey. If the Bendis Teen Jean era is still canon (and maybe it isn't considering that version of Jean was exceptionally strong), people from other worlds know and fear that name.

[Havok83]

Jean has been around for almost 60 years. Its too late in the game to be giving her a brand new codename and expecting that to stick or catch on. She is fine as just Jean Grey and IMO would be terrible to try and rebrand her

Jean and Scott are great as they are. Keep her away from Logan and keep Scott away from Emma if we need to keep anyone away from anyone, those pairings have never brought anything positive to the other characters.

Agreed. Scott is just the man she is with and this relationship most certainly has not defined her this era. Especially as written by Duggan, Jean stands strong as a fascinating character.

[otipep_90]

Coming up with a name this late in her history is a challenge, especially one that aims at becoming iconic. Marvel Wiman seems too clunky for a lotos people, and Phoenix is not an option for Marvel when the want to make the PF an independent character.

The more I think about it, Cerebra is a good option. It’s a variation of Cerebro, which is as old as the X-Men. It’s also been used poorly in the past and for characters that always seem to disappear, and the only significant use was under Morrison, which Jean used in ways no other telepath has since.



What do you all think?

[Exodus]

hands down my favorite Jean Grey moment of all time! (minus Claremont's Phoenix Saga)

[Tank]

Jean has been around for almost 60 years. Its too late in the game to be giving her a brand new codename and expecting that to stick or catch on. She is fine as just Jean Grey and IMO would be terrible to try and rebrand her



Agreed. Scott is just the man she is with and this relationship most certainly has not defined her this era. Especially as written by Duggan, Jean stands strong as a fascinating character.

Doesn’t hurt to try. Heroes can take on new identities.

And the I dont have a problem with her being with Scott per se. It just feels really unearned because they skipped over all the potentially interesting character interactions. They both had a lot to talk about and things to deal with to reach the point they are at now. And we didnt see any of it.

[Tank]

Coming up with a name this late in her history is a challenge, especially one that aims at becoming iconic. Marvel Wiman seems too clunky for a lotos people, and Phoenix is not an option for Marvel when the want to make the PF an independent character.

The more I think about it, Cerebra is a good option. It’s a variation of Cerebro, which is as old as the X-Men. It’s also been used poorly in the past and for characters that always seem to disappear, and the only significant use wows with Morrison’s which Jean used in ways no other telepath imagined.

What do you all think?

Just call her Phoenix. She has remade herself and come back from the dead so many times the name is fitting. Same with her force connections and Jean wanting to do good with the name. There’s so much meaning behind it.

Multiple people in the marvel universe share the same name. If they wanted to have a strong hero identity, this is it.

Barring Phoenix all the suggestions ive heard from Cerebra to Psion sound way better than generic and clunky Marvel Pronoun.

[Tank]

hands down my favorite Jean Grey moment of all time! (minus Claremont's Phoenix Saga)

If only the art on this issue was better. Igor kordey was really really bad, everyone looked lumpy with buckteeth.

I wishe Quietly had done this issue. While his art isn’t traditionally beautiful, he really knows how to tell a story.

[Kitty&Piotr<3]

I just thought about the name "Marvel Girl" and it's functionality in regards to the X-Men ad real people. Imagine her friends:

"...why?"

"Jean, you just turned 30."

"What makes you want a codename all of the sudden?"

"Whatever you like, Jeannie."

[Starchilde]

Marvel Woman feels like a too generic name and does not evoke "Jean Grey" for me. Phoenix obviously is the one that fits her and her most famous one, but since Marvel has other plans, it's better that she uses her real name, which has become iconic itself.