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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnysv75 View Post
    Thanks! And yes, I loved seeing her doing a powerful feat without breaking a sweat. Reminds me of how Seagle and Bachalo portrayed her on her and Scott’s trip to Alaska.



    Uncanny X-Men #137 was my first X-book. Read it maaany years ago. Fell in love with Jean at once. She was kind, empathetic, funny, charismatic, intelligent, mischievous. She was such a complex and interesting character, and so powerful. To me, Ororo is one of a few X-Men to even come close.

    Jean can sometimes (too often?) be portrayed as the denmother, and I get why some fans think she is boring. But the writers who focus on her caring qualities miss out on what truly makes Jean a fun character to read - she is multifaceted.
    At the same time as she is loving and caring, she has an edge. She is kindhearted at the same time as she has a temper. She can sometimes be hesitant to cut loose with her incredible powers, but there is also nothing she loves better than to truly cut loose with her powers.

    Jean is incredibly complex, and that is why I love her.
    A very good and true review of our Jean!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiderfan001 View Post
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    Jean wanted none of that spice lmfao
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    On god, can't stand bland food

    It's still hilarious how pissed off she got lmao
    Man it's kinda scary how pissed she sounds, like she's gonna try to kill Gambit if he tries to put some spice in that food .

    Quote Originally Posted by johnnysv75 View Post
    Uncanny X-Men #137 was my first X-book. Read it maaany years ago. Fell in love with Jean at once. She was kind, empathetic, funny, charismatic, intelligent, mischievous. She was such a complex and interesting character, and so powerful. To me, Ororo is one of a few X-Men to even come close.

    Jean can sometimes (too often?) be portrayed as the denmother, and I get why some fans think she is boring. But the writers who focus on her caring qualities miss out on what truly makes Jean a fun character to read - she is multifaceted.
    At the same time as she is loving and caring, she has an edge. She is kindhearted at the same time as she has a temper. She can sometimes be hesitant to cut loose with her incredible powers, but there is also nothing she loves better than to truly cut loose with her powers.

    Jean is incredibly complex, and that is why I love her.
    That sounds like a similar problem Superman has, with people thinking he's too overpowered and a goody two shoes, and while these are traits he has, not the only ones, funny I never noticed Jean has this perception problem too.

    Anyways, when exactly does Jean get her telepathy? I finished the Lee/Kirby run a few days ago, I expected her to get telepathy at some point during it, but it didn't happen, I assume it happened at some point before Claremont, since Marvel Team-Up#4 has Xavier basically using her as a wifi signal to be able to read Morbius' mind, and she had to connect with his mind for Xavier to be able to read it.

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    Jean starts to "borrow Xavier's telepathy" during the Thomas run, right?
    "We come into this world alone and we leave the same way. The time we spent in between - time spent alive, sharing, learning together... is all that makes life worth living." - Jean Grey

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    Xavier was said to "share" some of his TP with Jean as he had to "go away" to do secret work (really hiding in seclusion in the sub-basement in preparation to fight the Z'Nox). Xavier only told this to Jean but none of the other X-Men. Xavier then also "shared" some of his TP with the Changeling about this time, and again, only Jean knew these details.

    Jean was in her green Marvel Girl dress at this time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenixx9 View Post
    Thanks for sharing Mercury. It was interesting and it is always good to have another Jean fan who really knows her story, history and personality.
    Thank you, love! Same here.

    Quote Originally Posted by johnnysv75 View Post
    Uncanny X-Men #137 was my first X-book. Read it maaany years ago. Fell in love with Jean at once. She was kind, empathetic, funny, charismatic, intelligent, mischievous. She was such a complex and interesting character, and so powerful. To me, Ororo is one of a few X-Men to even come close.

    Jean can sometimes (too often?) be portrayed as the denmother, and I get why some fans think she is boring. But the writers who focus on her caring qualities miss out on what truly makes Jean a fun character to read - she is multifaceted.
    At the same time as she is loving and caring, she has an edge. She is kindhearted at the same time as she has a temper. She can sometimes be hesitant to cut loose with her incredible powers, but there is also nothing she loves better than to truly cut loose with her powers.

    Jean is incredibly complex, and that is why I love her.
    I agree with everything you've written.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lukmendes View Post
    Man it's kinda scary how pissed she sounds, like she's gonna try to kill Gambit if he tries to put some spice in that food.
    Ugh, don't get me started on that horrible cartoon. Beau DeMayo is coming to save us!

    Quote Originally Posted by Lukmendes View Post
    That sounds like a similar problem Superman has, with people thinking he's too overpowered and a goody two shoes, and while these are traits he has, not the only ones, funny I never noticed Jean has this perception problem too.
    Honey, Jean gets accused of being everything from a "Care Bear" to someone who maliciously violates people's minds. It's insane the level of vitriol that gets thrown her way. Then again, she's the blueprint for so many others, I understand the psychological need to "come for her," as they say.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lukmendes View Post
    Anyways, when exactly does Jean get her telepathy? I finished the Lee/Kirby run a few days ago, I expected her to get telepathy at some point during it, but it didn't happen, I assume it happened at some point before Claremont, since Marvel Team-Up#4 has Xavier basically using her as a wifi signal to be able to read Morbius' mind, and she had to connect with his mind for Xavier to be able to read it.
    In X-Men #41, it is revealed that Xavier is working with Jean alone on secret "experiments."



    In issue #42, they combine their mental powers - though it isn't specified, one can assume both are using telepathy, with Jean also using telekinesis, in the scene below - to stop the "oscillotron" from reaching "maximum intensity." Later in the same issue, Xavier dies, though it is later revealed that he faked his death and Jean was the only one to whom he revealed this to.



    The first time Jean uses telepathy is in issue #46. She attacks Juggernaut, presumably with a psi-bolt, and notes, "There's been so little time to develop the powers the Professor developed in me..."


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    Issue #48 is a standout issue for Jean, in which it is not only revealed that she has taken up professional modeling but also that her telepathic power has advanced enough to track Cybertron robots, which should be near impossible. In the same issue, Computo assesses her abilities and notes that she has "infinite mental powers."





    By issue #49, she's psi-linking the team.


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    By issue #52, she's throwing down with Mesmero.


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    Great posts Mercury. These are so vital to knowing Jean and her powers from long ago. No wonder she is a powerhouse today!

    I love Jean's courage and fearlessness! And not only against Mesmero, but Jean did the same with the Scarlet Witch even much earlier.
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    Love this moment in Uncanny X-Men #51 (1968). Scott and Bobby fighting and Jean voicing her disappointment. Her speech starts at "I wouldn't have believed it..."




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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenixx9 View Post
    Great posts Mercury. These are so vital to knowing Jean and her powers from long ago. No wonder she is a powerhouse today!
    I completely agree. There's this common misconception that she was a weak shrinking violet in the beginning, which is untrue. As a mutual on Twitter commented yesterday in reply to one of my tweets:

    I think these five panels in the first issue is her defining moment. She is a kind person, but don't ever think you can fuck with her.




    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenixx9 View Post
    I love Jean's courage and fearlessness! And not only against Mesmero, but Jean did the same with the Scarlet Witch even much earlier.
    Her attack on Scarlet Witch is in issue #11.


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    So true! Thanks for posting that pic of Jean fighting Wanda.

    That took a lot of courage on Jean's part because for so long, Wanda's Hex Power was extremely mysterious and they never knew just what she could do or Wanda's limits. As Jean mentions to a fearful Scott (lol), she had wanted to do this for a long time and Jean must have known more about her own powers and control than we were led to initially believe. Ya go Jean!
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