Then I think we were agreeing.
And I don't think that you have to worry about all of that. As it is Jean's perception is better when she doesn't have the Phoenix because of things like the Atom Bomb scene with Sabretooth in the 90s, teen Jean, X-Men Red, and other instances of her being awesome... that likely include things she's done in the current era. The fact of the matter is that she's about to be the co-leader of the best selling team book at Marvel if the new volume sells as well as the current does. That is what is going to drive people's perception of her.Unfortunately, it's not about actual facts. If people can ignore saving the whole universe, what do you think they'll say about her role in Krakoa's society?
That's what worries me about this Hickman run. Because I think it will be a remarkable moment for the X-Men, regardless of how I feel about it. And I don't want future readers to repeat stupid stuff about Jean in the future because her role now - though theoretically important - didn't make her character particularly noteworthy. In other words, there was nothing unique about her role.
"We come into this world alone and we leave the same way. The time we spent in between - time spent alive, sharing, learning together... is all that makes life worth living." - Jean Grey
I do hope you're right. But I think that unless we see her role in the new team as something in-story remarkable (not necessarily feats of power or anything like this), what we'll get is the same people who say she was the worst host saying something like this: "Joined the X-Force. Quit. Joined the Quiet Council. Quit. Joined the X-Men. Stayed in the roster for 1 year, then quit".
EDIT: 1 year in our time. In-story time it will be 1 month or something.
I don’t even see her a being co-leader. She’s making all the big moves. Scott’s following. Does he make some tactical decisions on the ground? Okay, maybe. But they’re showing these decisions as being Jean’s. I really don’t see Hickman walking her status back from being a strong leader.
And Jean still managed to not lead anyhting there too. Very consistent
Jean wont quit X-men. Jean only quit the council because Scott said that council members are banned from the QC
I think that writers need to define Phoenix and Jean Grey again. People often have the wrong interpretation of drk phoenix and some recent books helped that wrong perception.
I think Morrison was positive about phoenix, but failed on the conclusion of the story
Please, don't pay attention to my avatar. I was just testing the fire simulation with the 3D model. I don't want the Phoenix *anywhere* near Jean. I understand other fans would want that. But I really don't,
As for her quitting the team, they said they'll be rotating the roster with a new election and the announcement of the new team at each Hellfire Gala. I assume this includes Jean too. But we don't know for sure, of course.
I think we are all needing a serious dosage of Jean Grey love for our beloved character.
[Quote Originally Posted by Thor-El 10-15-2020 12:32 PM]
"Jason Aaron should know there is already a winner of the Phoenix Force and his name is Phoenixx9."
Like a Red Dragon, The Phoenix shall Soar in 2024!
I think you have two different scenarios mixed up. Jean left the QC because of Sebastian Shaw's comments on the QC members needing to avoid danger. Something she disagreed with. QC members not being on the new X-Men team is something Scott and her decided to make a stipulation as part of the voting for the team members.
So unless Cyclops likes to cosplay as Sebastian Shaw, it wasn't his decision.
I understand having reservations about her role in the new book, but nothing is out yet. There's still a small room for hope.
"This is starting to sound like a bad comic book plot"
-Spider-man
“Evil is evil...lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same."
-Geralt of Rivia
Yes, Phoenixx9, we do. We're all disagreeing passionately about stuff because we love this character as passionately. We just need to see a little bit of this love on the pages.
Hey, who knows? Anything to get Jean wearing that Black Queen costume again, right? ;D
I hope I don't have to point out, but just in case: it's a joke! :)
Edit:
It would make sense. But I don't think even the people in the X-Office know that for sure at this point...
Last edited by Grinning Soul; 05-17-2021 at 05:25 PM.
Exactly! The QC, with Shaw speaking, tried to deter Jean, and she wasn’t having it. That’s leadership right there. She wasn’t going to stick around as a rubber stamp for Xavier on the QC. She’s independent and can go form the X-Men, taking Scott along with her, which is exactly what she did.
When Jean goes back to being a hapless damsel in distress, let me know. Because that’s not the character in the X titles today.
BTW, again, anyone else think that giant robot thing in the preview art for Planet-Sized X looks like a Phalanx?