I just wanted to send a quick message to say that I love that I can come here and discuss the X-men and Jean Grey in particular. I know we all do not agree on everything and some of the debates will live on and never go away - like the ones about Ms. Grey and the Phoenix, and that is ultimately a good thing. That is what we are here to do... share in our mutual appreciation of comics, but also to discuss, debate, and hash out all the complexities involving our "special interest".
Coming here to geek out and not feel judged is a great feeling and it allows me to escape. I was recently promoted to a big position at work so I have a lot more work, responsibilities, and stress. It feels good to unwind and just veg out on the X-men. Speaking of which I went to the comic store today and bought X-men 3 and 4. I still do not own issue 2 which bothers me. Ah, well. I'll get it eventually.
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First, congrats on the promotion! And I agree 100%, this is my comic/Jean Grey WHR (and some Facebook groups too). My partner and my friends obviously know of my passion for this, but it's not a shared thing. This is a much needed outlet
Congrats, dude!
He wanted Jean suicidal because Cyke wasn't around. Awful take to go along with his awful Phoenix story lol. You can see where he wanted to go with her in his Astonishing Annual. It's also noteworthy that he didn't want Jean leading a team. Needless to say that I am not a fan.
As much as I rag on Hickman's useless damsel, Jean would have been in a lot more trouble with the Phoenix Resurrection writer whittling away at her.
I dont think he mentions something about Cyke tho, what he said in the podcast apparently was more aimed at issues with Phoenix and identity (something about a birdcage, things like that). Anyway, I personally don’t mind Jean being compromised emotionally if it’s a good story, but the way she was presented after resurrection was better than Rosenberg’s take I think. Leading her own team was refreshing and good for her. Aaaand we avoided more talk about Phoenix being or not being toxic, all of that lmao.
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And the idea for how Jean could return via the Jean and Phoenix were separate entities originated with (then fanguy) Kurt Busiek.
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Yeah I'm glad we got Taylor's post-resurrection Jean instead of Rosenberg's. Jean being proactive after death (hers and other's) is very much in character.
After emerging from the cocoon, Jean saw the state of the world and immediately wanted to help her fellow mutants, even without Xavier, or the X-Men as they currently were...leading to the formation of X-Factor
After Cyclops "died" at the hands of Apocalypse, Jean took time to cope in Muir Island and did so by helping Moira, helping recruit new X-Men such as Thunderbird III, and bonding with Cable, leading to becoming an active X-Man again, with her perseverance not going unnoticed (from Rogue).
Also I thought the whole point of Jean mocking the Phoenix with "Is that all?" after it temporarily brought Scott back to life, was that this time Jean got to properly say goodbye to Scott. She got a measure of closure. So why would she be in such sullen state?
Also another tidbit highlighting Jean's perspective, at the start of X-tinction Agenda, Jean and de-aged Ororo are talking and catching up and at the end they say "To the X-Men then! Who do not die the old fashioned way. And no matter how hard we try, none of us die forever."
Could be something like this redesign by APJStudio where the front maintains the “skirt” lines by way of a bodycon tight tunic…Not sure about the raised open collar though…
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That's generally what I'm thinking is going to happen. It's either that or it's just a dress altogether I think, but we'll have to see.
I'm not sure about the neckline either but this design was made by using the Storm X-Men Red costume so I think having that neckline was sort of inevitable, and it's great regardless!
"We come into this world alone and we leave the same way. The time we spent in between - time spent alive, sharing, learning together... is all that makes life worth living." - Jean Grey
I’ve literally been naked in jacuzzis with men I was attracted to and on dates with and didn’t have sex with them.
I’m not saying they didn’t have sex. I’m saying they may or may both have. Stating it as fact is really just a projection- until one is ready to admit “it’s how they viewed what happened” rather than “it’s what happened.”.
I will take the clues and the hints and enter it into my headcanon, but doesn’t make it fact. Kinda like I’d like to believe jean is an omega tk, but it was very clear that hickmans omega streamlining was the supreme law of the land, so I’m going with the guy who’s in charge of the status quo. Think about that. I’m choosing to believe the view ?hickman) that I DONT prefer, because it feels moot to compare unambiguous to possibly-intended-
Possibly-no comma-misinterpretation until we have more evidence or confirmation.
. I support people having their own beliefs based on the scenes such as the hot tub scene, but think it’s these moments we need to learn to distinguish the unambiguous and the possibilities.
Your favorite superhero- the one you visit these forums to talk about. Would they talk to others the way you do on this message board?
C'mon, that's just being obtuse for the sake of it. She was straddling him. They may not have necessarily had sex here, but no, this is not "intimacy of very close friends". The fact that you can be naked with someone in a jaccuzi and not have sex with them changes nothing about the scene, whether they're about to fuck or not isn't the whole determining factor.
The way they're acting is also not one of that being unusual, or of doubt of the nature of the situation. And then there's the dialogue "If you think I'm too good for X-Force you probably think I'm too good for you", "Sure, but you need a taste of poison now and then". The panel ends with him holding her face and then it zooms out with them pressed onto each other (which does seem like a kiss to me, but that specific part and that only I'll agree isn't clear).