Really disliked her, Bendis is AWFUL at continuity and he does things for shock value without ANY understanding of where his story is going. That said, his version of Teen Jean leveled out for me halfway through. Looking back, Bendis or a writer like Bendis would be perfect for Adult Jean, we need someone who is willing to at least think outside of the box and push her forward.
Most of what she's done under Hickman is like a checklist which you could literally switch Jean out for any telepath or close friend or member of the X-men and nothing about the stories change. Even in XOS, you could have used any senior level X-man or close friend to Scott and nothing changes about that story.
I definitely miss, how Teen Jean had a presence about herself, she was powerful which she knew but so did everyone else and they showed her respect for it. Something outside of XMR and maybe the recent KIB Adult Jean is not shown as consistently powerful as Teen Jean nor is her reputation as revered as it was while Teen Jean was here!
I absolutely, hated Hopeless and Rosenberg's Jean, they are the epitome of deconstructing without adding anything to a character, Hopeless I feel ambivalence towards for no reason other than literally nothing in that solo series added anything of substance to Jean's character or her overall legacy. Ghost Jean felt to me like a caricature of everything Jean is not. Impatient, bitter, angry, jealous, shortsighted, bullheaded, and clearly out of her depth as NOTHING she did even helped or protected Teen Jean moreover if Emma is written more in character and kinder than Jean maybe somewhere in the story you flubbed up. Rosenberg's Jean spoke for herself...simply awful!
I'm still not certain Xavier didn't do something to Jean or any of them really, and I won't change my mind until after the era of Hickman has concluded.
Ugh, Aaron clearly doesn't care about the complexities of the characters he uses he simply wants to tell "cool" stories unfortunately tythe concepts he uses are often outside his scope, so we end up with a story where Logan is more invested in stopping the PF than Jean...the woman who has had a relationship with it for over 30 years...no one else is treated like this with concepts they are the originators of.
After Bendis run, people started to say that jean always read minds all the time without consent. That isn't true at all, but people have mostly headcanon about jean instead of reading the books that she star on it.
Jean really need to get out of the box, some deconstruction so she can find herself and get her own path.
You are right about both writers. Rosenberg had Jean so depressed that he thought she couldn't lead a bookI absolutely, hated Hopeless and Rosenberg's Jean, they are the epitome of deconstructing without adding anything to a character, Hopeless I feel ambivalence towards for no reason other than literally nothing in that solo series added anything of substance to Jean's character or her overall legacy. Ghost Jean felt to me like a caricature of everything Jean is not. Impatient, bitter, angry, jealous, shortsighted, bullheaded, and clearly out of her depth as NOTHING she did even helped or protected Teen Jean moreover if Emma is written more in character and kinder than Jean maybe somewhere in the story you flubbed up. Rosenberg's Jean spoke for herself...simply awful!
clearly there is something wrong with the mutants. They wouldn't even just follow Xavier so easilyI'm still not certain Xavier didn't do something to Jean or any of them really, and I won't change my mind until after the era of Hickman has concluded.
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The funniest thing about the "Jean is a telepathic snoop" angle is that he would literally have all the other telepaths in his cast casually and indiscriminately read the minds of friends and enemies alike. Moreover the very issue next issue, after he in-story has characters call out Jean's behavior, the Stepford Cuckoos are literally reading Teen Jean's mind without her permission. Except only Teen Jean was called out for her telepathic behavior after receiving her power fairly early yet no attention was brought towards all the other long-tenured X-telepaths who used their powers without consequence.
Jean and wasted story opportunities due to editorial influence, name a more iconic duos, Rosenberg set the stage for Jean's return but NOTHING about it was done to celebrate her. It was all because Rosenberg had such a hard on for deconstructing all things X-men.
All the senior X-men do feel off, not that I expect them to immediately recognize what's happening but I did expect at least something like this:
Taylor had the right idea, but for the story to fully land to me, Jean and Cassandra should have had to face off solo. I get what he was attempting to do, and the first half of the run was great but the whole trying to rehabilitate Cassandra Nova was a step too far into the pacifist Jean. And unfortunately it did nothing for Jean, and the X-men were still tracking her down in Rosenberg's Uncanny X-men!
Yes, everyone talked about how powerful Jeen was and about her potential. There was a scene where Beast said that Jeen used her TK in a way that rivaled Phoenix.
When Jean was dead people talked about her as the most powerful psi ever.
And when she returns?
She has a great, but too short, run in X-Men Red, and after that all that talk about her power and potential is almost forgotten.
More than 40 years ago, Jean became too powerful (for a woman) and that is still holding the portrayal of her back. That is structural misogyny at work.
Morrison did let her shine in glorious ways, too bad it ended the way it did.
It is 2021, I think it is high time that Jean is allowed to tap into her unlimited potential, to be powerful, glorious and, yes, a little bit dangerous.
me too, these panels were something else for me, i always said that the Phoenix should belong to Jean and only Jean but since everyone is using it as a power boost now and some people always downplay Jean's omega level mutant status saying she's nothing without the Phoenix i prefer her to be powerful on her own.
Agreed with everything, she is trapped in the worst position as a female character and 40 years later it's still the young ingenue. She isn't allowed to be as powerful as Xavier even when she is labeled as such, she can't step into the role she was meant for because again Xavier needs something to do, and anything she does do outside her relationships and the Phoenix Force is immediately forgotten or never followed up on!
Completely agreed!
Why? The end of Taylor was a nod to how the Nova arc was resolved in Morrison's New X-men, which helped inspire Taylor's writing for Jean
In both situations, the way to deal with Nova wasnt to kill or punish her, but rather to heal her. In both times, Jean noticed she lacked empathy. In New X-men, they trapped her in Stuff as she and Xavier psychically rehabilitated her. In Red, she skipped that and went straight to rehabilitating her by mentally giving her the ability to feel empathy. The ending to Red 100% alligns with Jean's previous characterization. Taylor accomplished exactly what he was going for
The one problem I had was that it didnt feel resolved bc we have no idea what was done with her. Did she surrender to the Avengers? Was she free to just go? Did she get to show remorse for what she had done? Ideally had Red continued, we would have gotten followup but the series came to an end just as the X line was going through a major transition
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