Tony Stark: The Invincible Iron Man Appreciation 2021

[Tony Stark]

Iron Man: Avengers villain plans silent apocalypse.
https://www.cbr.com/iron-man-korvac-utopia-endgame/

[Tony Stark]

What If shows how Civil War could have been different.
https://www.cbr.com/what-if-captain-...ost-civil-war/

[Huntsman Spider]

What If shows how Civil War could have been different.
https://www.cbr.com/what-if-captain-...ost-civil-war/

Yeah, if Civil War had been written with more than just shock value in mind, we could have gotten something like the Ultimate Alliance 2 retelling where both sides ultimately reconciled and, regardless of whether the SHRA remained or not, things would have been better overall.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Yeah, if Civil War had been written with more than just shock value in mind, we could have gotten something like the Ultimate Alliance 2 retelling where both sides ultimately reconciled and, regardless of whether the SHRA remained or not, things would have been better overall.

Seriously.

I still can't get over how a story that is CHARACTER BASED was so PLOT DRIVEN.

I mean, WTF is Clone Thor even doing there?

But it did give me one of my favorite movies, so there's that.

[Huntsman Spider]

Seriously.

I still can't get over how a story that is CHARACTER BASED was so PLOT DRIVEN.

I mean, WTF is Clone Thor even doing there?

But it did give me one of my favorite movies, so there's that.

Yeah, the MCU version of Civil War was also better because it allowed both sides to have good points and flaws in their reasoning without outright demonizing either, regardless of what one might think of the ultimate twist.

[MichaelC]

Seriously.

I still can't get over how a story that is CHARACTER BASED was so PLOT DRIVEN.

I mean, WTF is Clone Thor even doing there?

But it did give me one of my favorite movies, so there's that.

Millar never does character driven stories. He does crude political lampooning with a lot of shock moments.

[Huntsman Spider]

Millar never does character driven stories. He does crude political lampooning with a lot of shock moments.

Fair point. I generally understood, if not agreed with, the points he was making in Civil War, but I didn't like that he was doing it at the expense of the characters involved, some getting hit worse than others, especially in the tie-ins that went all in on the anti-registration perspective.

[Hypestyle]

so what are the odds for Tony's current battle against Korvac?

[The Cool Thatguy]

Millar never does character driven stories. He does crude political lampooning with a lot of shock moments.

Oh, I know that. He also exploits tropes without doing a damn bit of work to be creative.

Would anyone have cared about Nemesis if Batman weren't a thing?

[Huntsman Spider]

so what are the odds for Tony's current battle against Korvac?

He wins, but there are repercussions that continue into the next arc or so.

Oh, I know that. He also exploits tropes without doing a damn bit of work to be creative.

Would anyone have cared about Nemesis if Batman weren't a thing?

Hmm, that's a good one.

[Marvell2100]

Seriously.

I still can't get over how a story that is CHARACTER BASED was so PLOT DRIVEN.

I mean, WTF is Clone Thor even doing there?

But it did give me one of my favorite movies, so there's that.

Marvel can't do a civil war story right becuase they usually go overboard in making one hero overly cynical and the other a zealot. They don't do nuance that well, especially when multiple writiers are involved.

Case in point: Tony as written in his own solo compared to Tony as written in the main event book or other tie in titles. It's like Jekyll and Hyde.

[Marvell2100]

Yeah, the MCU version of Civil War was also better because it allowed both sides to have good points and flaws in their reasoning without outright demonizing either, regardless of what one might think of the ultimate twist.

Exactly. The MCU did a much better job with the nuances and you actually saw both sides much better.

[Marvell2100]

so what are the odds for Tony's current battle against Korvac?

We know he'll win but the costs are mounting. This arc looks to have some big consequences for Tony.

[Huntsman Spider]

Marvel can't do a civil war story right becuase they usually go overboard in making one hero overly cynical and the other a zealot. They don't do nuance that well, especially when multiple writiers are involved.

Case in point: Tony as written in his own solo compared to Tony as written in the main event book or other tie in titles. It's like Jekyll and Hyde.

Pretty much, yeah.

Exactly. The MCU did a much better job with the nuances and you actually saw both sides much better.

Even Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2 adapted Civil War better, particularly with the outcome where even though the pro-registration side ultimately won, both sides united to defeat a greater threat and reconciled enough to work out a compromise that would keep the good parts of the SHRA and reduce if not eliminate the worst parts of it.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Do we know why Tony's chosen his team yet? Because they really don't seem to make a damn bit of sense