Cassandra Cain: Orphan, Black Bat, Batgirl Appreciation 2021

[Konja7]

The name Orphan makes no sense for someone who isn't an orphan. Cass's mother is alive and if pre-Flashpoint continuity has been restored, she should be Bruce's adopted daughter again. Either call her Batgirl or give her a new codename.

If I'm not mistaken, the adoption was never completed in Pre-Flashpoint, since Bruce died.

Also, the events of pre-Flashpoint aren't restored. DC just take what they want (they do not seem to have an interest in retaking Cassandra's adoption).

[Ruthborn]

If I'm not mistaken, the adoption was never completed in Pre-Flashpoint, since Bruce died.

Also, the events of pre-Flashpoint aren't restored. DC just take what they want (they do not seem to have an interest in retaking Cassandra's adoption).

Actually "Dick"wing confirms in the Beechan miniseries that Cass was adopted by Bruce and the new DC Encyclopedia also states that New Earth Cass was successfully adopted.

[Ruthborn]

The Joker War takes place before Death Metal since Dick was cured of his amnesia during Joker War and already Nightwing in Metal

Hmmm, but Barbara is in her Burnside outfit so I figured that Death Metal occurred before Dick gets shot..... Which doesn't make sense since the "Evil Wins" tie in occurs during the Thomas Wayne/Bane/Alfred Death events.
Maybe all the iterations of the heroes in villains in the Metalverse were independent versions of themselves plucked from the main timeline. Like main timeline Barbara was wiped from the timeline during the Metalverse reset and her Burnside version was more prominant in the minds of the people at the time and so that is what she appeared as when she reappeared in the Metalverse battle? They really need to think these stories out better.

[AmiMizuno]

Hmmm, but Barbara is in her Burnside outfit so I figured that Death Metal occurred before Dick gets shot..... Which doesn't make sense since the "Evil Wins" tie in occurs during the Thomas Wayne/Bane/Alfred Death events.
Maybe all the iterations of the heroes in villains in the Metalverse were independent versions of themselves plucked from the main timeline. Like main timeline Barbara was wiped from the timeline during the Metalverse reset and her Burnside version was more prominant in the minds of the people at the time and so that is what she appeared as when she reappeared in the Metalverse battle? They really need to think these stories out better.

No they don't think. Dc retcons many things in the few issues that they write. Many writers will do the same thing in what was already there because they don't like that. So it winds up with a cannon mess.


But on a side note. We have this new Batman but if anything if they didn't want Jason. Dick or Damian why not Cassie as Batman? Dc is having a bad happen of now just adding too many new characters and forgetting about them. They should first fix what they got. So why the new too expand the Batfam within the last 5 years. They had enough time to get back to things and smoothing things out for many of the characters.

[Rac7d*]

No they don't think. Dc retcons many things in the few issues that they write. Many writers will do the same thing in what was already there because they don't like that. So it winds up with a cannon mess.


But on a side note. We have this new Batman but if anything if they didn't want Jason. Dick or Damian why not Cassie as Batman? Dc is having a bad happen of now just adding too many new characters and forgetting about them. They should first fix what they got. So why the new too expand the Batfam within the last 5 years. They had enough time to get back to things and smoothing things out for many of the characters.

isnt Cass 20+ does she even need to be adopted

[Ruthborn]

isnt Cass 20+ does she even need to be adopted

She would have been just under 20 at the time and the adoption, for her, was more of a confirmation that she was part of Bruce's family than anything else. Bruce was a father figure for her and for him to adopt her was a way for him to say that she was his daughter as well. She didn't need the physical protection but she needed the psychological comfort that someone wanted her and loved her like a family.

[dietrich]

She wasn't present for Alfred's funeral, She wasn't named in bruce's will, she isn't a part of any of the family portraits we've seen so far since rebirth so she's not a part of the bruce's family.

Plus cass has a mother so she wasn't adopted in current canon.

[Frontier]

She wasn't present for Alfred's funeral, She wasn't named in bruce's will, she isn't a part of any of the family portraits we've seen so far since rebirth so she's not a part of the bruce's family.

Plus cass has a mother so she wasn't adopted in current canon.

That's a shame .

[Blight]

She wasn't present for Alfred's funeral, She wasn't named in bruce's will, she isn't a part of any of the family portraits we've seen so far since rebirth so she's not a part of the bruce's family.

Plus cass has a mother so she wasn't adopted in current canon.

She was just reintroduced prior to Rebirth, so that would explain as to why she wasn't in the family portraits. Not only that, to put her there would mean she's on par with the sons (Dick, Jason, Tim, and Damian). I believe the answer for that is-- sexism and favoritism. You can't have a girl on par with the boys. Plus Babs is the "top tier" female in the Bats. You can't have her above Babs. So yeah. There's your answer to that.

As for not being at Alfred's funeral well she was, just that during the aftermath she and others protected Gotham that night to give Bruce, Ric, Tim, Babs, and Damian some time off. For Alfred's second funeral (Batman #100 after the Joker dug up the body) Cassandra was present among the family this time.

Still, between Batman & the Outsiders, and the recent story in Urban Legends, Bruce treats Cassandra as one of his adopted kids. Why Shiva went after him in the issue.

[Captain Nostalgia]

Where is Cass being featured these days? If I recall correctly Barbara was head lead in Batgirl and the Birds of Prey.

Are they doing anything with her, or is she in limbo now that Barbara is Batgirl again?

[Lal]

She was just reintroduced prior to Rebirth, so that would explain as to why she wasn't in the family portraits. Not only that, to put her there would mean she's on par with the sons (Dick, Jason, Tim, and Damian). I believe the answer for that is-- sexism and favoritism. You can't have a girl on par with the boys. Plus Babs is the "top tier" female in the Bats. You can't have her above Babs. So yeah. There's your answer to that.

As for not being at Alfred's funeral well she was, just that during the aftermath she and others protected Gotham that night to give Bruce, Ric, Tim, Babs, and Damian some time off. For Alfred's second funeral (Batman #100 after the Joker dug up the body) Cassandra was present among the family this time.

Still, between Batman & the Outsiders, and the recent story in Urban Legends, Bruce treats Cassandra as one of his adopted kids. Why Shiva went after him in the issue.

Yes, but in these books it's also referred that he sees Steph and Barbra (who has a father, one of his most trusted allies), as his also so-called "daughters".
So it seems like a broader definition of the bat-family, and not a real legal status as his child.

In the mainline books, it still seems that Dick, Jason, Tim, and Damian are his sons (all were in his will, they see themselves as brothers), with Cass, Duke and Steph being part of a broader version of the family,

[Aahz]

isnt Cass 20+ does she even need to be adopted

Pre Flashpoint she was about 19 when she was adopted, I think she is supposed to be younger in the current continuity.

[Aahz]

She was just reintroduced prior to Rebirth, so that would explain as to why she wasn't in the family portraits. Not only that, to put her there would mean she's on par with the sons (Dick, Jason, Tim, and Damian). I believe the answer for that is-- sexism and favoritism.

Even pre Flashpoint Cass was never really part of Bruce civilian life, and never lifed for example at the manor with him.
And the post flashpoint Cass is even less close to Batman (she is not really closes than the other Batgirls).

When it comes to her relationship with Bruce she is (based on the comics) simply not on par with Dick, Jason, Tim, and Damian or even Duke.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Even pre Flashpoint Cass was never really part of Bruce civilian life, and never lifed for example at the manor with him.
And the post flashpoint Cass is even less close to Batman (she is not really closes than the other Batgirls).

When it comes to her relationship with Bruce she is (based on the comics) simply not on par with Dick, Jason, Tim, and Damian or even Duke.

Yeah, writers have always given her the short end of the straw when it comes to a relationship with Bruce.

God forbid they try something new and give him a surrogate daughter.

[dietrich]

She was just reintroduced prior to Rebirth, so that would explain as to why she wasn't in the family portraits. Not only that, to put her there would mean she's on par with the sons (Dick, Jason, Tim, and Damian). I believe the answer for that is-- sexism and favoritism. You can't have a girl on par with the boys. Plus Babs is the "top tier" female in the Bats. You can't have her above Babs. So yeah. There's your answer to that.

As for not being at Alfred's funeral well she was, just that during the aftermath she and others protected Gotham that night to give Bruce, Ric, Tim, Babs, and Damian some time off. For Alfred's second funeral (Batman #100 after the Joker dug up the body) Cassandra was present among the family this time.

Still, between Batman & the Outsiders, and the recent story in Urban Legends, Bruce treats Cassandra as one of his adopted kids. Why Shiva went after him in the issue.

Duke made into family photos.

I'm looking foeward to the day they tell us the story of how bruce adopted a kid who wasn't in the system and who has a parent.

Bruce is a hero not a law breaker. Legally he can not adopt Cass while she has a mother unless he is a step parent