So to answer the question. It all boils down to this from Daredevil actor Peter Shinkoda (he played Nobu) stated Loeb made racist comments while on set. You look at the way he treated say Lady Shiva in his various stories? Then the lack of Cass as well. The way he had Ultimate Wasp infamously killed off. Well, it kind puts some pieces of a puzzle together.
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I think I’d heard that before, but I always have to check on it - I was always well aware they wanted to put her back in the suit before Steph got it, but it’s hard for me to extricate Kate from that suit.
It still does stink to high heaven and always feel like an obsession with the idea that a familiar status quo must be created n9 matter how little the market or the creatives seem to demand it...
...And I feel it’s safe to say Cass would likely have gotten the “Evil Dragon Lady” treatment regardless of whether the Batwoman was Babs or Kate just because Didio has a weirdly paranoid “scorched earth” policy towards characters he sees as redundant - the guy seemed almost constitutionally incapable of accepting an expanding universe and clearly regarded even surviving civilian IDs for “redundant” characters as a threat.
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I didn't say that Grant was the reason for Cass downfall, but that the creation of Damian gave Didio&co a golden opportunity to sideline Cass. Also just because Cass wasn't pushed with Harley levels of overexposure, doesn't mean Cass wasn't pushed at all.
The costume is okay, a vast improvement over the rebirth version it's based on. I'm just not a big fan of the princess jasmine pants.
They never developed her relationship with Tim or Dick in their books, her maternal relationship with Babs wasn't acknowledged outside of Cass' book and I'm pretty sure that Brubaker was the only one to use Cass in his Batman book. She never joined another ongoing series/team book, and was never the star of the spin off books like Gotham Knights or Batman and Superman.
And this was in the era before there are a million sidekicks, and characters walked in and out of other's books pretty casually.
Wasn't Gail Simone told she couldn't use Cass the few times she wanted to bring her in? I seem to remember that being a thing.
I think she was Kasumi in Justice League Elite... but that was a short-lived book, and they made a point of hiding she was that character behind a mask for some time. She also wound up in Outsiders during Dixon’s brief run on that book during the period between her Evil Cass phase ending and her later limbo during RIP.
Neither was really high profile, though - Dixon actually forgot he’d written her when someone praised him for handling her better than others during that time period (where let’s face it, giving her back to Beechen right before sending her back to limbo can feel spiteful on DC’s part.)
I know she proposed an idea that was nixed, and it’s likely she was forbidden from using her when everyone else is... but I don't know if that was just a lining up of the times she had ideas and Cass’s misfortune or if there were other times she wanted to use her and was discouraged.
Like action, adventure, rogues, and outlaws? Like anti-heroes, femme fatales, mysteries and thrillers?
I wrote a book with them. Outlaw’s Shadow: A Sherwood Noir. Robin Hood’s evil counterpart, Guy of Gisbourne, is the main character. Feel free to give it a look: https://read.amazon.com/kp/embed?asi...E2PKBNJFH76GQP
She was used briefly in Young Justice, as a sort of backup team.
It was Beast Boy, Flamebird, Lagoon Boy, CM3 (cap marvel jr) and Cass.