Kamala Khan: Ms. Marvel Appreciation 2021

[Kurolegacy]

You make sure the soul of the character is intact. Spidey had organic webbing. Is Ms Marvel just a big fist and a catch phrase or an actual character?

Spidey had organic webbing but it’s not as though nothing of his power remained. All that really did was remove the need for him inventing web shooters. He still had all of his other powers. With Kamala, there’s nothing in common with her powers between the comics and live action. And while the personality may remain, a big visual aspect of any hero is their powers, so I’d say her powers are a big part of her especially when it came to the beginning of her story where she learned that, while she could shapeshifter into anyone, she didn’t have to change her appearance to what she thought would make her heroic to be a hero. That was a big character moment for her that you can’t really get by changing her powers.

[CosmiComic]

You make sure the soul of the character is intact. Spidey had organic webbing. Is Ms Marvel just a big fist and a catch phrase or an actual character?

Organic webbing isn't nearly as big of a change

[Thor-Ul]

You make sure the soul of the character is intact. Spidey had organic webbing. Is Ms Marvel just a big fist and a catch phrase or an actual character?

No, but it is part (at least, for the moment) of her visual identity. The lack of webshooters didn't impact that much on spider-man because also the webshooters are no so visually relevant (the guy uses them under his globes) even if they represent an aspect of his character (inventiveness).

With this change in Kamala, who knows what other thing has been changed than we don't know yet? Will she be presented as an Inhuman or as a kree experiment, tied to the secret invasion? We could only speculate.

But why the need for the change ofhow visually her powers work? Dunno, really. Could be easly budget or maybe indeed the results didn't like to the producers or showrunners... the people in charge.

Also... this could be something tangential but already there is a female character who is using the body strechching powers and that is Elasti-Girl Rita Farr in the Doom Patrol series. and well, it has been used to its most grotesque extremes. It could be posible than using the same kind of power set could had made the people involved in the series think that that could lead to make potential viewers to compare characters. Yes, i understand than there are a lot of characters with the same powers and that it is not a problem, but strech powers are scarce and maybe harder to play in live-action without fall either in body horror or slapt-stick comedy.

[Noek]

You make sure the soul of the character is intact. Spidey had organic webbing. Is Ms Marvel just a big fist and a catch phrase or an actual character?

But nobody changed the fact he uses webs among other powers. If someone adapted him and had his powers be he shoots his finger nails like bullets there would be the same criticism.

[Anthony W]

Also... this could be something tangential but already there is a female character who is using the body strechching powers and that is Elasti-Girl Rita Farr in the Doom Patrol series. and well, it has been used to its most grotesque extremes. It could be posible than using the same kind of power set could had made the people involved in the series think that that could lead to make potential viewers to compare characters. Yes, i understand than there are a lot of characters with the same powers and that it is not a problem, but strech powers are scarce and maybe harder to play in live-action without fall either in body horror or slapt-stick comedy.

I didn't think of this. Thank you for bringing it up.

[CosmiComic]

I didn't think of this. Thank you for bringing it up.

Isn't that like saying we can't have Wasp in the MCU because the Atom exists?

[Baron of Faltine]

Isn't that like saying we can't have Wasp in the MCU because the Atom exists?

I think is more like saying " we cannot make stretching powers in live action without either making them look like looney tunes or Cronenbergh horrors" and considering the few times this had been made...they're probably right. Is one of those powerset that look OK in animation or comics but in live action...is not as cool looking. Add to this the cost for making it, and perhaps they thought the expense was not worth it.

[Noek]

I think is more like saying " we cannot make stretching powers in live action without either making them look like looney tunes or Cronenbergh horrors" and considering the few times this had been made...they're probably right. Is one of those powerset that look OK in animation or comics but in live action...is not as cool looking. Add to this the cost for making it, and perhaps they thought the expense was not worth it.

But that very way of thinking means either no Mr. Fantastic, or his powers will need to be changed.

[Baron of Faltine]

But that very way of thinking means either no Mr. Fantastic, or his powers will need to be changed.

Have you ever seen the ahem previous iteraction of live action mr. Richards?
They a)downplay SERIOUSLY his power to the power "blink and you will miss" the use of his powers.
and b) they look terrible. Usually at their best they go for goofy toony look.
And outside superhero genre stretching powers have usually being the itendifying features of monsters...one itance i remeber vividly is the squeezing vampire from Salem's lot...that was creepy as hell.
Interestingly I think that for a character like plastic man that could work. He is a lving cartoon already. Toony would fit him well. And yet oddly creepy at times.

[Noek]

Have you ever seen the ahem previous iteraction of live action mr. Richards?
They a)downplay SERIOUSLY his power to the power "blink and you will miss" the use of his powers.
and b) they look terrible. Usually at their best they go for goofy toony look.
And outside superhero genre stretching powers have usually being the itendifying features of monsters...one itance i remeber vividly is the squeezing vampire from Salem's lot...that was creepy as hell.
Interestingly I think that for a character like plastic man that could work. He is a lving cartoon already. Toony would fit him well. And yet oddly creepy at times.

So that's a yes?

[CosmiComic]

Have you ever seen the ahem previous iteraction of live action mr. Richards?
They a)downplay SERIOUSLY his power to the power "blink and you will miss" the use of his powers.
and b) they look terrible. Usually at their best they go for goofy toony look.
And outside superhero genre stretching powers have usually being the itendifying features of monsters...one itance i remeber vividly is the squeezing vampire from Salem's lot...that was creepy as hell.
Interestingly I think that for a character like plastic man that could work. He is a lving cartoon already. Toony would fit him well. And yet oddly creepy at times.

Yeah but Ms Marvel is more versatile so she can still use her abilities without being as cringe.

[Frontier]

It's not a matter of cringe but budget and execution in my opinion.

[CosmiComic]

It's not a matter of cringe but budget and execution in my opinion.

I think the same thing applies, though

[Frontier]

I think the same thing applies, though

Does it though?

[Thor-Ul]

I think is more like saying " we cannot make stretching powers in live action without either making them look like looney tunes or Cronenbergh horrors" and considering the few times this had been made...they're probably right. Is one of those powerset that look OK in animation or comics but in live action...is not as cool looking. Add to this the cost for making it, and perhaps they thought the expense was not worth it.

Yes. I was thinking in that direction. But also it could be either for something so mundane as budget or even than the strech powers can be sell as visually attractive and couldn't be translated to an atractive merchandising for an specific target public. Not everything could be related to the visual narrative.