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    Quote Originally Posted by Askani's Flame View Post
    I like her look, but Noto has made her look too young. She's super young looking but also 5 inches shorter than her brother, which is wild. Is she now 10?



    She's in her "human" clothes and trying not to stand out as much.
    I once suggested playing a Grey-Summers dynamic with Rachel as an adolescent in the family structure. Maybe this is IT!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thirteen View Post
    I once suggested playing a Grey-Summers dynamic with Rachel as an adolescent in the family structure. Maybe this is IT!
    HA! That was a great comic, and Jean's response was epic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thirteen View Post
    I once suggested playing a Grey-Summers dynamic with Rachel as an adolescent in the family structure. Maybe this is IT!
    haha I love that. What's that from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott402 View Post
    haha I love that. What's that from?
    Uncanny X-men Annual 17


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    Happy New Year belated...but what does time mean to a timelost, really???
    I would put forth my wish list for RACHEL GREY-SUMMERS/PRESTIGE (her mutant name omitted in the thread title btw?), but that could preclude any of the ideas from being used in canon by other creators. So instead I will look back and pick out stories that should have been Rachel's but were given to other characters...Character Chronoskimming so to speak...

    Kitty Pryde mentoring the time-displaced O5 ALL-NEW X-MEN: Kitty going from ingenue to Professor K was a great development towards her becoming Kate, but Rachel in a similar role would have had lots of potential since she is both time-lost and the ultimate legacy character to that team

    Speaking of Legacy...Rogue's run in the X-MEN:LEGACY title, even the costume with the long tunic that mimicked the silhouette of the Marvel Girl look, could easily have been a vehicle for Rachel.

    Psylocke and the EXILES. Multiversal characters on a Cross-Time Caper? Nexus being Rachel eats that for breakfast. Also consider that canon says Rachel is the one and only version of herself in the multiverse (yeah I know that's been shown to be incorrect...but go with it).

    Jean Grey's interaction with Fantomex in Grant Morrision's NEW X-MEN felt more like a Rachel moment rather than Jean, and the flirtation between the Phoenix and the Fantomex would have felt less forced given Jean's full dance card at the time.
    (I would have thought that the a time lost psychic red head with s&m undertones would have been appealing to Morrison)

    ...which could have led to...
    Psylocke's romantic bi-sexual dalliance with Fantomex and his female aspect...and a monumental back tattoo visuals in UNCANNY X-FORCE? RACHEL.

    Madelyne Pryor's Sisterhood of Mutants in Matt Fraction's X-MEN run ? Hellllooooo ASKANI, especially given that Rachel was chafing under the leadership of Storm at the time because Rachel is a LEADER herself. The Sisterhood as a rival concept instead of villainous one.

    Cheers to the StarChilde, long may she shine.

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    I love some of these ideas Thirteen. Also I think they nixed Prestige as not a lot of us care for that Kitty Kodename.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thirteen View Post
    Happy New Year belated...but what does time mean to a timelost, really???
    I would put forth my wish list for RACHEL GREY-SUMMERS/PRESTIGE (her mutant name omitted in the thread title btw?), but that could preclude any of the ideas from being used in canon by other creators. So instead I will look back and pick out stories that should have been Rachel's but were given to other characters...Character Chronoskimming so to speak...

    Kitty Pryde mentoring the time-displaced O5 ALL-NEW X-MEN: Kitty going from ingenue to Professor K was a great development towards her becoming Kate, but Rachel in a similar role would have had lots of potential since she is both time-lost and the ultimate legacy character to that team
    100%. There is no good reason why Kitty Pryde was mentoring and teaching Jeen about the use of her telepathic abilities. Also the fact that the retconned Jean into teaching Kitty tp skills was ridiculous. Another reason why Kitty Pryde is not a good friend to Rachel(I feel like a thread coming on.....): Your "best friend" is a powerful telepath and the 'daughter' of some time-displaced teens you've decided to care for but you keep her away from them for no good reason.

    Speaking of Legacy...Rogue's run in the X-MEN:LEGACY title, even the costume with the long tunic that mimicked the silhouette of the Marvel Girl look, could easily have been a vehicle for Rachel.
    Rachel is one of the THE legacy characters for the X-Men. I feel that she, Legion, and Laura are the best reps for that.

    Psylocke and the EXILES. Multiversal characters on a Cross-Time Caper? Nexus being Rachel eats that for breakfast. Also consider that canon says Rachel is the one and only version of herself in the multiverse (yeah I know that's been shown to be incorrect...but go with it).
    I think that one of the ways they could have really utilized Rachel in the 90's (if they were so afraid of her being Phoenix and affecting crossovers) was to have put her on an Exiles-like team. Now granted this wasn't a thing until after Rachel had been sent off to be Mother Askani. But it would have made sense. It's another role that Betsy filled for Claremont in Rachel's absence. The other was being the telepath under Bogan's control. That was always supposed to be Betsy, but editors were adamant that "dead was dead" during that time so no Betts. But since Wineberg was off Cable her character could be used, and Claremont was clamoring to have her, and so it began....

    Jean Grey's interaction with Fantomex in Grant Morrision's NEW X-MEN felt more like a Rachel moment rather than Jean, and the flirtation between the Phoenix and the Fantomex would have felt less forced given Jean's full dance card at the time.
    (I would have thought that the a time lost psychic red head with s&m undertones would have been appealing to Morrison)
    I'm not as familiar with that run as I only read it once, but in some ways the threat they were dealing with reminded me of Rachel battling Cayre in the 'Air Apparent' annual/issue where he would kill and absorb people and just regenerate himself. Also Ray rocked a killer leather jacket in that ish that I loved.

    ...which could have led to...
    Psylocke's romantic bi-sexual dalliance with Fantomex and his female aspect...and a monumental back tattoo visuals in UNCANNY X-FORCE? RACHEL.
    You lost me lol

    Madelyne Pryor's Sisterhood of Mutants in Matt Fraction's X-MEN run ? Hellllooooo ASKANI, especially given that Rachel was chafing under the leadership of Storm at the time because Rachel is a LEADER herself. The Sisterhood as a rival concept instead of villainous one.
    I think that would have been interesting, but we already have seen a failed version of this under Brian Wood. Rachel was confronting Selene and Maddie with Ororo when Rachel was taken out by Maddie before anything happended(total bs).

    Cheers to the StarChilde, long may she shine.
    FAB image.

    I'm sure there are other missed opportunities to do things with Rachel and show her power and strength. For me it's her being sent away during "X-Cutioner's Song" so she couldn't be part of the Summers family story. Her relegated role in the panned AvX, as well as in BotA. And while it saved her from death, not having her help lead the charge to attack Nimrod/Bastion from her own timeline in the Messiah saga was a choice.

    I'm really hopeful for some good Nate and Ray content from Cable, as we know we're not getting any from Jean and Rachel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok83 View Post
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    Yep that kind of sums up how Jean looks at Rachel but completely disregards her love for Cable..... that's about right

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott402 View Post
    Yep that kind of sums up how Jean looks at Rachel but completely disregards her love for Cable..... that's about right
    Perhaps in the past but jean and Rachel seem of largely work past that and now operate as a family unit. We just need some FREAKING dialogue between the two lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by loke13 View Post
    Perhaps in the past but jean and Rachel seem of largely work past that and now operate as a family unit. We just need some FREAKING dialogue between the two lol
    Rachel has better relationship with Magneto. Rachel and Jean is pretty much a meme at this point

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok83 View Post
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    I very much enjoy Rachel.

    ...but this is also VERY relatable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok83 View Post
    Rachel is 5'7 and Cable should be well over 6 feet (OG was 6'8)
    That was what I was gonna say. People, mainly artist, forget how big old school Cable was. He was a giant, even taller than powered-down Colossus. The way Wi-Fi acts and how short he is, he must be around 13 or 14 and hadn't reached his growth spurt yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alphaxman View Post
    That was what I was gonna say. People, mainly artist, forget how big old school Cable was. He was a giant, even taller than powered-down Colossus. The way Wi-Fi acts and how short he is, he must be around 13 or 14 and hadn't reached his growth spurt yet.
    He's dating Esme, so I think its safe to say he's at least 18

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaishakh View Post
    Rachel has better relationship with Magneto. Rachel and Jean is pretty much a meme at this point
    Ah, Rachel, with Cyclops as an inadvertent absentee father, she was left with slim pickings for 616 Father Figures...Magnus ...


    ...and Logan...
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    Quote Originally Posted by loke13 View Post
    Perhaps in the past but jean and Rachel seem of largely work past that and now operate as a family unit. We just need some FREAKING dialogue between the two lol
    That's all I ask too. Some freaking dialogue would be great!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by loke13 View Post
    Perhaps in the past but jean and Rachel seem of largely work past that and now operate as a family unit. We just need some FREAKING dialogue between the two lol
    Scott-Rachel-Nate operate as a family unit. Rachel-Nathan operate as a family unit. Scott-Jean-Nathan operate as a family unity. The four of them don't, and we've been shown that based on the fact that the two women are not shown together interacting. And one splash page of a trip to the Shi'ar beach where they aren't engaging is not proof. It's a mixed bag in terms of what we've been shown on panel between the two of them. The problem previously has been multiple writers telling stories with characters happening at the same time with no coordination. You have Jean and Rachel reconciling and looking like they are on better terms in Red. Then in Gold you have Rachel and Jean taking pot shots at each other that read poorly. And then in Extermination you have Jean being apathetic and cold to Rachel the entire run, culminating with the famous page where she ignores Rachel's plight. You're right, we need dialogue because at this point there is nothing to give readers the right impression and depiction of what their relationship is. The fact that they haven't had ANYTHING in terms of communication or interaction doesn't let readers think they operate as a family.

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