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    Quote Originally Posted by Stars & Stripes View Post
    With how Bao is close to Leslie Thompkins thru volunteering for her and how Leslie is working with Harper/Bluebird to get Punchline behind bars, I think Bao running into Harper could be fun stuff.
    Assuming they do plan on playing up Bao's relations with Leslie going forward, then yeah, that would be fun.
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    It looks like Clownhunter will be taking over the Batman back-up story, starting in September, as of DC Connect #14.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zorkel567 View Post
    It looks like Clownhunter will be taking over the Batman back-up story, starting inbe September, as of DC Connect #14.
    Interesting. I had kind of thought/assumed that would be the semi-permanent ongoing home for Ghost-Maker that would continue to flesh him out beyond the context of Bruce/Batman. That said, while I'mma miss getting to know him and some of his personal adversaries in the intimate setting the backups provided for him (dude has really proven himself to be a really fun character), I also keenly look forward to Bao finally having a space like that for himself. The backups have been doing wonders for Ghost-Maker's ongoing characterization and fleshing out. I'm sure they'll do Bao Pham the same wonders in turn.

    Also, I suppose this means the Clownhunter one-shot in August is gonna be the precursor/prelude to his ongoing backup story in Batman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J. D. Guy View Post
    Interesting. I had kind of thought/assumed that would be the semi-permanent ongoing home for Ghost-Maker that would continue to flesh him out beyond the context of Bruce/Batman. That said, while I'mma miss getting to know him and some of his personal adversaries in the intimate setting the backups provided for him (dude has really proven himself to be a really fun character), I also keenly look forward to Bao finally having a space like that for himself. The backups have been doing wonders for Ghost-Maker's ongoing characterization and fleshing out. I'm sure they'll do Bao Pham the same wonders in turn.

    Also, I suppose this means the Clownhunter one-shot in August is gonna be the precursor/prelude to his ongoing backup story in Batman.
    Yeah, I definitely though the Ghostmaker story was going to last longer, but if I had to guess, he probably has something else cooking for him. Whether a miniseries, or even a Secret Files One-shot, I'm expecting to see Tynion have something else for him soon. Especially after building Ghostmaker a small rogue's gallery in the back-ups.

    I'm excited to see more of Clownhunter. I enjoyed the Annual focused on him last year, and have been wanting to see more of him. I'm glad to see that it appears he's keeping the Clownhunter ID for now anyways, as I like it a lot. Hopefully this will do a lot to establish him more, especially since he's been missing for the last six-ish months now.

    Yep, it appears the Secret Files issues are doing a lot of support work for the line as a whole. Huntress seems to be building off the 'Tec arc, I assume Signal's will be prepping the Outsiders story coming in the fall, Miracle Molly's ties into Fear Itself, so it makes sense for Clownhunter's to be re-establishing him and prepping for his back-up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zorkel567 View Post
    Yeah, I definitely though the Ghostmaker story was going to last longer, but if I had to guess, he probably has something else cooking for him. Whether a miniseries, or even a Secret Files One-shot, I'm expecting to see Tynion have something else for him soon. Especially after building Ghostmaker a small rogue's gallery in the back-ups.
    Agreed. A lot of good work has gone into building Ghost-Maker, so I doubt we've seen the last work focusing specifically on him and his world.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zorkel567 View Post
    I'm excited to see more of Clownhunter. I enjoyed the Annual focused on him last year, and have been wanting to see more of him. I'm glad to see that it appears he's keeping the Clownhunter ID for now anyways, as I like it a lot. Hopefully this will do a lot to establish him more, especially since he's been missing for the last six-ish months now.
    Agreed. Along with Ghost-Maker, Clownhunter feels like other breakout character of Tynion's. It surprises me that he's basically vanished since the Annual. So I, too, am glad that he'll be resurging in some consistent form in the latter part of this year. His Batman backup story seems to be putting him through a vigilante crucible, too, so it'll be intriguing to see what we'll learn about Bao from it and where and in what ways he'll emerge out if it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zorkel567 View Post
    Yep, it appears the Secret Files issues are doing a lot of support work for the line as a whole. Huntress seems to be building off the 'Tec arc, I assume Signal's will be prepping the Outsiders story coming in the fall, Miracle Molly's ties into Fear Itself, so it makes sense for Clownhunter's to be re-establishing him and prepping for his back-up.
    So far, Secret Files is putting in a lot of work spotlighting and shoring up characters who haven't or couldn't get their due. I'd love for The Signal's to lead into his own ongoing or mini, if not something Outsiders related. Duke's been overdue for his own solo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J. D. Guy View Post
    Agreed. Along with Ghost-Maker, Clownhunter feels like other breakout character of Tynion's. It surprises me that he's basically vanished since the Annual. So I, too, am glad that he'll be resurging in some consistent form in the latter part of this year. His Batman backup story seems to be putting him through a vigilante crucible, too, so it'll be intriguing to see what we'll learn about Bao from it and where and in what ways he'll emerge out if it.
    Yeah, I've felt the handling of Clownhunter has been odd so far. Gets introduced in Joker War, has a major supporting role in Ghost Stories, then has an Annual to flesh out his backstory- just to disappear from the books entirely. I was leaning towards the theory of him becoming Red X for a while, though I feel like his return in the Bat-books disproves that. It seems like they had a glut of Bat-characters to focus on, and Bao got put on the backburner. While I'm not sure what to expect from his Secret Files issue, I appreciate that his back-ups will place him right in the midst of the ongoing story, and develop him more during Future State. Makes me hopeful he'll have a more consistent presence after the crossover.

    Quote Originally Posted by J. D. Guy View Post
    So far, Secret Files is putting in a lot of work spotlighting and shoring up characters who haven't or couldn't get their due. I'd love for The Signal's to lead into his own ongoing or mini, if not something Outsiders related. Duke's been overdue for his own solo.
    I would be totally down to see Duke get a solo project of his own. But with the Urban Legends Outsiders story confirming more Outsiders coming this fall, and Duke getting mentioned by name, I assume he'll be left with them for now. At the very least, he'll continue to get page time. That's better than some characters can say, like Azrael or Batwoman at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zorkel567 View Post
    Yeah, I've felt the handling of Clownhunter has been odd so far. Gets introduced in Joker War, has a major supporting role in Ghost Stories, then has an Annual to flesh out his backstory- just to disappear from the books entirely. I was leaning towards the theory of him becoming Red X for a while, though I feel like his return in the Bat-books disproves that. It seems like they had a glut of Bat-characters to focus on, and Bao got put on the backburner. While I'm not sure what to expect from his Secret Files issue, I appreciate that his back-ups will place him right in the midst of the ongoing story, and develop him more during Future State. Makes me hopeful he'll have a more consistent presence after the crossover.
    I was also totally onboard the "Clownhunter is Red X" train. But I've well since come to feel that's not the case, and probably never was. Bao's absence in that time period was coincidental to the rise of Red X.

    But yeah, when you compare, say, Ghost-Maker's presence, which hasn't wavered (just changed trajectory) since his debut, to Clownhunter's, who had a similar dynamic and bombastic introduction that left an impression narratively, it becomes even more surprising and jarring that Clownhunter basically vanished for half a year's worth of storylines. While I guess it could argued that he was placed in line with other Bat-World story threads getting focused on, again, Ghost-Maker didn't have this caveat to the flow of his presence past his initial introductory arc. Even once his backups end, Ghost-Maker is still going to have a prominent role in the mainline stories to come. Which makes me wonder all the more what the deal was for Clownhunter's absence. (I get the feeling that August's Secret Files is probably not gonna explain anything in that regard.)

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    I would be totally down to see Duke get a solo project of his own. But with the Urban Legends Outsiders story confirming more Outsiders coming this fall, and Duke getting mentioned by name, I assume he'll be left with them for now. At the very least, he'll continue to get page time. That's better than some characters can say, like Azrael or Batwoman at the moment.
    While that's true in a vacuum, and it did help keep Duke in-print, the Outsiders' writer, Bryan Edward Hill, didn't really do Duke's character and narrative canon any real favors. He may have gotten a new facet to his powers (albeit, in a way that felt like it was trying to "fix" what the writer felt was broken, while not really taking advantage of showing why the change was a "fix" in the first place) and while Duke's relationship and friendship with Cass has been the absolute best takeaway for him, Duke/The Signal suffered from Batman and The Outsiders due to character stagnation and character and narrative regression. Hill treated Duke like he was a Day-0 newbie, which is far from the truth, even if that's a thought-line many readers who are largely or entirely ignorant of Duke share.

    While future Outsiders endeavors could differ (especially with a different writer in this case), it's a dangerous line as to what the trade-off of consistent exposure is versus the detriment of consistent misuse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J. D. Guy View Post

    So far, Secret Files is putting in a lot of work spotlighting and shoring up characters who haven't or couldn't get their due. I'd love for The Signal's to lead into his own ongoing or mini, if not something Outsiders related. Duke's been overdue for his own solo.
    Still rooting for a Secret Files: Bluebird to happen, so that we can get some insight into Harper's character that the Punchline backups in The Joker simply cannot have time for due to the limited amount of pages each month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stars & Stripes View Post
    Still rooting for a Secret Files: Bluebird to happen, so that we can get some insight into Harper's character that the Punchline backups in The Joker simply cannot have time for due to the limited amount of pages each month.
    Would be awesome, and a pretty logical choice, really.
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