Mary Jane Watson-Parker Appreciation 2021

[Frontier]

It's a problem that exists throughout much of the MCU. The romances are often very chaste. I don't think movies with Holland's Spider-Man set in College are going to change that.

Well, when they're even developed well at all (Cough)Scott and Hope(Cough).

Although sometimes I don't think you need to go that explicit. Like T'Challa and Nakia was handled pretty well, and Tony and Pepper got three movies worth of development. Wanda and Vision used "tv magic" in place of a sex scene .

I find it funny that Roger Stern was all for Clark and Lois and even was involved in marrying them but was totally against Peter with MJ. Feel their marriage or relationship is a mistake.(well Stern if you think so badly of that, maybe you should have not have brought her back during your 80s run and started the groundwork for her backstory of her sister and nephews lol)

I always found that kind of funny. Also he wrote the marriage and MJ well in the Hobgoblin Lives mini, so at least he's professional about it.

[Lukmendes]

Bruh they are so h*rny, I love it

Feeling's mutual by the way:

https://i.imgur.com/f6vtYXY.png

(ASM#286)

You know with all these panels you guys keep showing I’m really surprised that Mj wasn’t pregnant earlier guess Peter is responsible in one aspect

If they used condoms that often, they'd run out of money real quick lol.

Pretty sure these guys hold the record for highest nsfw-suggesting panels.Can't keep their hands of each other.Spider-sense + Peter's self control is the only reason they don't have multiple kids.

Considering Peter mostly doesn't refuse sex, self control he doesn't have .

Great scans! But don't forget the Valentine's Day Special! (LOL):

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/dgouq1tR3e...30Mdo5Mg=s1600

He had a similar scene with Felicia, but they were both stuck on the web:

https://i.imgur.com/dF5TKiR.png

https://i.imgur.com/hTpNVkp.png

(Spectacular Spider-Man#92)

Was in an era that Spidey's web was so strong he couldn't rip it off for some reason, though you have to ignore why he didn't just break parts of the roof to escape.

But yeah Peter and Mary Jane have definitely been more openly sexual as a couple than most any major superhero romance. Clark/Lois historically were hands'off owing to the Woman of Kleenex thing (yes they did it in Superman II but Superman had to lose his powers).

Post resurrection it's implied Supes and Lois had sex in Adventures of Superman#505:

https://i.imgur.com/rqJskwc.png

https://i.imgur.com/HluMwMZ.png

https://i.imgur.com/liCW7kw.png

https://i.imgur.com/PeNIdXK.png

There's a scene skip, he's taking a shower, she's getting ready to go out, the bed looks messy...

Next page also mentions that she knows of a ticklish spot:

https://i.imgur.com/DszWl90.png

So that implies, experience.

They probably weren't literally fucking around as much as Spidey and MJ, but there was something here and there.

I don't know Supes as much, so it's very likely other sex scenes were implied around before this.

Reed/Sue obviously have the kids but they were generally bland and inoffensive, sitcom parents at most.

I think a few times Sue has said she knows the real reason why Reed calls himself "Mr. Fantastic", though I don't know how much they showed...

Not really, we had scenes of Clark and Lois getting intimate during their marriage, like in Identity Crisis when we see the two in bed naked, granted we didn't saw that a lot and is it was mostly implied, but writers never cared much for that biological differences beetween the two in Superman titles, it's usually the parodies or deconstrucions that deal with it.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that woman of kleenex thing did little to get in the way of their sex lives, hell wouldn't be far fetched for sex scenes to imply they have a lot of fun as a middle finger to "woman of kleenex" lol.

About ten years or after Peter/MJ got married and were getting busy. Not saying it doesn't count but it doesn't take away that Spider-Man and MJ were the fun married couple at the outset.

The truth is that Superman/Lois in the Post-Crisis era mostly just followed in the footsteps of Spider-Man. So Lois learns Superman's identity and becomes his confidant, that happened in the February 1991 issue "Secrets in the Night" (written by Roger Stern as it happens) but MJ had been in that role for a near decade by that point. The marriage likewise came after Spider-Man/MJ did it first. And, I don't have evidence for this, but did you ever find it odd that Post-Crisis Lois initially had dark brown/reddish hair? I am just saying it seems like the Superman writers decided to takes notes from Spider-Man.

Post-Crisis Supes also wanted Lois to fall in love with Clark, since at the time he considered Clark to be his real side or something like that.

Basically not unlike what happened between Peter and Felicia, and this "my civilian side is who I really am" is from Spidey, since before this, it was Superman,

Funnily enough, Batman got some romance drama as Bruce Wayne in Batman#474 with that Silver chick, though at least they quite clearly say there that Bruce is just a mask for Batman, or at least they do in that issue, but I'm not sure Bruce ever had romance drama like this with his civilian identity before Spidey was around lol.

I know, right?! Loved it when MJ couldn't contain herself when Pete described himself as one of the "cool guys". (LOL):

Their faces on those last panels LOL.

Anyways, all this sex talk reminds me of Spectacular#166, it's kinda funny that MJ starts to feel lonely in it:

https://i.imgur.com/57AoSfD.png

To the point she enjoyed another guy kissing her in Spectacular167#:

https://i.imgur.com/5fP53VA.png

https://i.imgur.com/EWqOkkE.png

https://i.imgur.com/73hmKNd.png

When, in Spectacular#164, she had sex with Peter:

https://i.imgur.com/f7ixwey.jpg

(She snores here, so I guess that's trait that shows up once in a while after all )

In the end she didn't cheat on Peter with that Jerome guy, she was confused, but he always forced something, then she told him to **** off.

Doesn't completely excuse the "confusion", but again, at the end she didn't go for it, tried to end it multiple times but the guy kept forcing it.

But anyways, my point is, considering they had some romance two issues before Peter leaves, and she immediately starts to feel lonely once he does leave, it actually looks like they had so much sex she became spoiled lol.

This is all by Conway by the way, wasn't a sudden writer switch that suddenly changed how the characters act.

[Kevinroc]

Well, when they're even developed well at all (Cough)Scott and Hope(Cough).

Although sometimes I don't think you need to go that explicit. Like T'Challa and Nakia was handled pretty well, and Tony and Pepper got three movies worth of development. Wanda and Vision used "tv magic" in place of a sex scene .

The MCU is... usually pretty bad at romance. Imagine doing a Peter x MJ romance and making it the most chaste relationship they possibly could. Doesn't even feel like Peter x MJ.

[TheCape]

Feeling's mutual by the way:

https://i.imgur.com/f6vtYXY.png



If they used condoms that often, they'd run out of money real quick lol.



Considering Peter mostly doesn't refuse sex, self control he doesn't have .



He had a similar scene with Felicia, but they were both stuck on the web:

https://i.imgur.com/dF5TKiR.png

https://i.imgur.com/hTpNVkp.png

(Spectacular Spider-Man#92)

Was in an era that Spidey's web was so strong he couldn't rip it off for some reason, though you have to ignore why he didn't just break parts of the roof to escape.



Post resurrection it's implied Supes and Lois had sex in Adventures of Superman#505:

https://i.imgur.com/rqJskwc.png

https://i.imgur.com/HluMwMZ.png

https://i.imgur.com/liCW7kw.png

https://i.imgur.com/PeNIdXK.png

There's a scene skip, he's taking a shower, she's getting ready to go out, the bed looks messy...

Next page also mentions that she knows of a ticklish spot:

https://i.imgur.com/DszWl90.png

So that implies, experience.

They probably weren't literally fucking around as much as Spidey and MJ, but there was something here and there.

I don't know Supes as much, so it's very likely other sex scenes were implied around before this.



I think a few times Sue has said she knows the real reason why Reed calls himself "Mr. Fantastic", though I don't know how much they showed...



Yeah, I'm pretty sure that woman of kleenex thing did little to get in the way of their sex lives, hell wouldn't be far fetched for sex scenes to imply they have a lot of fun as a middle finger to "woman of kleenex" lol.



Post-Crisis Supes also wanted Lois to fall in love with Clark, since at the time he considered Clark to be his real side or something like that.

Basically not unlike what happened between Peter and Felicia, and this "my civilian side is who I really am" is from Spidey, since before this, it was Superman,

Funnily enough, Batman got some romance drama as Bruce Wayne in Batman#474 with that Silver chick, though at least they quite clearly say there that Bruce is just a mask for Batman, or at least they do in that issue, but I'm not sure Bruce ever had romance drama like this with his civilian identity before Spidey was around lol.



Their faces on those last panels LOL.

Anyways, all this sex talk reminds me of Spectacular#166, it's kinda funny that MJ starts to feel lonely in it:

https://i.imgur.com/57AoSfD.png

To the point she enjoyed another guy kissing her in Spectacular167#:

https://i.imgur.com/5fP53VA.png

https://i.imgur.com/EWqOkkE.png

https://i.imgur.com/73hmKNd.png

When, in Spectacular#164, she had sex with Peter:

https://i.imgur.com/f7ixwey.jpg

(She snores here, so I guess that's trait that shows up once in a while after all )

In the end she didn't cheat on Peter with that Jerome guy, she was confused, but he always forced something, then she told him to **** off.

Doesn't completely excuse the "confusion", but again, at the end she didn't go for it, tried to end it multiple times but the guy kept forcing it.

But anyways, my point is, considering they had some romance two issues before Peter leaves, and she immediately starts to feel lonely once he does leave, it actually looks like they had so much sex she became spoiled lol.

This is all by Conway by the way, wasn't a sudden writer switch that suddenly changed how the characters act.

Plenty of women had comment in Peter's ass, i think that at some point Felicia implied that because Ben wasn't doing Spider-Man stuff as much as Peter he is not quite the same level.

Post-Crisis generally goes with that interpretation for both "Clark is the real, Bruce is the fake". Also, i read enought of Post-Crisis Superman to tell that he is for sure very inspired on Spider-Man.

Oh boy, the Jerome storyline, i'm one of the few people that actually like Conway's run in both Spec and Webs and i think that there is quality there, but i'm not very fond of that plot and it lasted too long, those parts are so poorly written. Still my opinion on that is the same that i got for Wolverine and Jean over the X-Men, she is not completly free of blame and they probably should have talk about it at some point, but i'm mostly blame the dude because clearly he is pushing more than he should, i'll say 70% and 30%. I assumed that Conway's divorce inspired him to write him.

[Jman27]

The MCU is... usually pretty bad at romance. Imagine doing a Peter x MJ romance and making it the most chaste relationship they possibly could. Doesn't even feel like Peter x MJ.

I mean raimi wasnt much better. besides the upside down kiss I dont remember much of it

[Castle]

Rewatching Sam Raimi Spiderman movies and it makes me quite annoyed that Mary Jane in all the 3 films had to be captured and be a damsel in distress, MJ is so much more than that.

[Huntsman Spider]

Rewatching Sam Raimi Spiderman movies and it makes me quite annoyed that Mary Jane in all the 3 films had to be captured and be a damsel in distress, MJ is so much more than that.

At least in 2 and 3, she does attempt to fight back first chance she gets. 3 even has her drop a cinderblock on Venom when he's about to lay the finishing blow on Peter/Spider-Man at one point during that fight.

[Revolutionary_Jack]

I find it funny that Roger Stern was all for Clark and Lois and even was involved in marrying them but was totally against Peter with MJ. Feel their marriage or relationship is a mistake.(well Stern if you think so badly of that, maybe you should have not have brought her back during your 80s run and started the groundwork for her backstory of her sister and nephews lol)

Roger Stern is a prime example of a writer's work totally being at cross-purposes with their stated opinions. He did more than anyone to make Mary Jane into "marriage material" but then he says writers changed her personality and it's like he's talking as if somebody else did the stuff he did.

I always found that kind of funny. Also he wrote the marriage and MJ well in the Hobgoblin Lives mini, so at least he's professional about it.

Well in the case of the Hobgoblin Lives it was either "fix your old mystery now or forever hold your peace" so he had to work with the marriage.

At the end of the day if you look at Stern's career as a writer, he's written Spider-Man in the Bronze Age, during the marriage and some stories in the BND era. His best stories are the first era but it's kind of fascinating that he wrote far more married Spider-Man stories and more impactful stories in the period of Peter's marriage than he ended up doing in BND which he publicly supported.

So with Stern, trust the work and don't trust the author.

Rewatching Sam Raimi Spiderman movies and it makes me quite annoyed that Mary Jane in all the 3 films had to be captured and be a damsel in distress, MJ is so much more than that.

I like the first movie best in terms of the romance and love story (also I like the first movie overall best), and parts of the second. But it's definitely a case they didn't give KD a proper arc for her.

It annoys me that Spider-Man 1 in the ending hinted that Mary Jane figured out Peter was Spider-Man when she reacts visibly to the kiss Peter gave her and obviously is reminded of the one with Spider-Man. But in Spider-Man 2, there's little to no follow-up to that, no moment where MJ independently figures out that Peter is Spider-Man, all the stepping stones are there except the last step and then it just drops in the lamest way at the end.

[Ursalink]

Surely I'm not the only one to noticed, but in previous issue #74, when MJ tried to reach Peter from the rubble, did anyone else think about this cover?

248f0f7996f656755ba88973ae58babc.jpg

[Revolutionary_Jack]

Surely I'm not the only one to noticed, but in previous issue #74, when MJ tried to reach Peter from the rubble, did anyone else think about this cover?

Not really. The emotional idea is different, less sarcastic, more sincere than Quesada's garish (and generally bad) art.

[Jman27]

Surely I'm not the only one to noticed, but in previous issue #74, when MJ tried to reach Peter from the rubble, did anyone else think about this cover?

248f0f7996f656755ba88973ae58babc.jpg

cant i never read OMD

[Lukmendes]

Plenty of women had comment in Peter's ass, i think that at some point Felicia implied that because Ben wasn't doing Spider-Man stuff as much as Peter he is not quite the same level.

Well, Felicia would know about Spidey's ass:

https://i.imgur.com/R5HS0ql.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/STOLZJ1.jpg

(ASM#204)

So that's not surprising .

Post-Crisis generally goes with that interpretation for both "Clark is the real, Bruce is the fake". Also, i read enought of Post-Crisis Superman to tell that he is for sure very inspired on Spider-Man.

Well, "Bruce is the fake" isn't really changed then, point is that the silver chick brought romance drama with the Bruce side, which sounds like a Spidey thing.

At the very least, with post crisis Supes, after a while they decided to mix it up, who Supes really is being only Superman or Clark is kinda meh.

Oh boy, the Jerome storyline, i'm one of the few people that actually like Conway's run in both Spec and Webs and i think that there is quality there, but i'm not very fond of that plot and it lasted too long, those parts are so poorly written. Still my opinion on that is the same that i got for Wolverine and Jean over the X-Men, she is not completly free of blame and they probably should have talk about it at some point, but i'm mostly blame the dude because clearly he is pushing more than he should, i'll say 70% and 30%. I assumed that Conway's divorce inspired him to write him.

Yeah, MJ's loneliness comes outta nowhere, since just a few issues before she was fine, and I doubt there was a lot of neglect goin on in ASM or Web, and the plot was repetitive, even though it only happened in 5 issues, where most of the stories were still about Spidey's adventures, so despite having so little screen time, it basically had the same "Jerome guy is forceful, MJ leaves, but is lonely enough to be kinda into it" lol.

Doesn't help that Spidey's adventures were pretty dumb too, Spectacular#166 has a silver age easy amnesia for the next issue (Which ends in #167 anyways), and the plot of #168, #169 and #170 has a villain tricking Spidey by shape shifting into She-Hulk, Spidey falls for it like a moron without considering any other possibility, the guy then disguises himself as Spidey and the team Spidey gathered ends up fighting the Avengers, and this was all a convoluted plan that Calculus guy had so Fisk doesn't get that chest in the abandoned building, and he did all of that to not directly interfere, which Spidey points out he did... Just, meh overall lol.

At least the fight with Puma had a cool moment in #172 with Spidey's speech about honor not being worth to die for nothing while leaving loved ones behind, and the same issue ends the annoying plot point of that Jerome guy, so that's nice lol

Roger Stern is a prime example of a writer's work totally being at cross-purposes with their stated opinions. He did more than anyone to make Mary Jane into "marriage material" but then he says writers changed her personality and it's like he's talking as if somebody else did the stuff he did.

Perhaps the intention was just to develop her character and keep the relationship platonic, and he didn't realize how much that helped in making MJ a love interest lol.

Peak irony if so.

It annoys me that Spider-Man 1 in the ending hinted that Mary Jane figured out Peter was Spider-Man when she reacts visibly to the kiss Peter gave her and obviously is reminded of the one with Spider-Man. But in Spider-Man 2, there's little to no follow-up to that, no moment where MJ independently figures out that Peter is Spider-Man, all the stepping stones are there except the last step and then it just drops in the lamest way at the end.

Yeah I remember seeing the way she reacted after the kiss at the end and I was wondering if she figured out, but later movies have her not knowing.

The second movie I think, has a scene where she kisses her current boyfriend (Or fiancé? been a while... ) upside down (He was laying on the couch) to see if he's Spidey too I think.

Surely I'm not the only one to noticed, but in previous issue #74, when MJ tried to reach Peter from the rubble, did anyone else think about this cover?

248f0f7996f656755ba88973ae58babc.jpg

Can't say I did.

[Kaitou D. Kid]

All this talk about Peter and MJ's sex life, I should mention that back when I was a lonely teenager, I envied the pre-OMD Peter more than I envied the BND one. It was clear to me that the former had a more exciting sex life with MJ than the latter did.

Just saying, since the OMD retcon was supposedly aimed at my age group.

[TheCape]

All this talk about Peter and MJ's sex life, I should mention that back when I was a lonely teenager, I envied the pre-OMD Peter more than I envied the BND one. It was clear to me that the former had a more exciting sex life with MJ than the latter did.

Just saying, since the OMD retcon was supposedly aimed at my age group.

A loving relationship with someone that you love and genuinely cares about you, how any teen could find that appealing? (i did too).

Honestly, i had found that the people that talk the most about appealing to that demographic are well, people that definetly aren't in that age, this include fans and creators. I'm gonna sound mean, but i think that the real problem is that many writers and fan don't like to be reminded of the harsh reality of becoming old. Not everyone is like that of course, but is definetly the vibe that i get from so many.

[Jman27]

Well, Felicia would know about Spidey's ass:

https://i.imgur.com/R5HS0ql.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/STOLZJ1.jpg

(ASM#204)

So that's not surprising .



Well, "Bruce is the fake" isn't really changed then, point is that the silver chick brought romance drama with the Bruce side, which sounds like a Spidey thing.

At the very least, with post crisis Supes, after a while they decided to mix it up, who Supes really is being only Superman or Clark is kinda meh.



Yeah, MJ's loneliness comes outta nowhere, since just a few issues before she was fine, and I doubt there was a lot of neglect goin on in ASM or Web, and the plot was repetitive, even though it only happened in 5 issues, where most of the stories were still about Spidey's adventures, so despite having so little screen time, it basically had the same "Jerome guy is forceful, MJ leaves, but is lonely enough to be kinda into it" lol.

Doesn't help that Spidey's adventures were pretty dumb too, Spectacular#166 has a silver age easy amnesia for the next issue (Which ends in #167 anyways), and the plot of #168, #169 and #170 has a villain tricking Spidey by shape shifting into She-Hulk, Spidey falls for it like a moron without considering any other possibility, the guy then disguises himself as Spidey and the team Spidey gathered ends up fighting the Avengers, and this was all a convoluted plan that Calculus guy had so Fisk doesn't get that chest in the abandoned building, and he did all of that to not directly interfere, which Spidey points out he did... Just, meh overall lol.

At least the fight with Puma had a cool moment in #172 with Spidey's speech about honor not being worth to die for nothing while leaving loved ones behind, and the same issue ends the annoying plot point of that Jerome guy, so that's nice lol



Perhaps the intention was just to develop her character and keep the relationship platonic, and he didn't realize how much that helped in making MJ a love interest lol.

Peak irony if so.



Yeah I remember seeing the way she reacted after the kiss at the end and I was wondering if she figured out, but later movies have her not knowing.

The second movie I think, has a scene where she kisses her current boyfriend (Or fiancé? been a while... ) upside down (He was laying on the couch) to see if he's Spidey too I think.



Can't say I did.

you have every panel of spiderman it seems like