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    Default 2021 Mary Elizabeth "Bette" Kane | Bat-Girl & Flamebird Appreciation

    Hello! Welcome to the 2021 appreciation thread for Bette Kane! Her last appearance was with the Titans West as Bat-Girl in a cameo during Death Metal Last Stories! The Last Stories cameo has given by some faith in 2021. Personally, I am hoping she appears in Teen Titans Academy.

    An overview of her history can be found here

    Link to her last appreciation thread

    Also Bette Kane has a discord server devoted to her, here is the link https://discord.gg/HGZz3tNZtd

    Lastly here is a link to her recommended reading

    May 2021 be a fruitful year for Bette Kane!
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    YYYYAAAAAYY!! Thank you for doing this!

    I am lurking in and around the Death Metal stuff - does anyone think this means she will be "re-visioned" once more,

    this time maybe being acknowledge as the first, canon Bat-girl, despite the hyphen.
    I heard she appeared in the Deathy, Darkish Metaloid story with teen Titans.

    Bat-girl from age 12 to 16, maybe 17 (time of that final TT story in late '70s)

    *somehow becomes Flamebird, exactly unknown but for various theories about the Superman thing,

    possibly by 20 or close?

    eventually remerges to her cousin Kate around age 22 or so?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    YYYYAAAAAYY!! Thank you for doing this!

    I am lurking in and around the Death Metal stuff - does anyone think this means she will be "re-visioned" once more,

    this time maybe being acknowledge as the first, canon Bat-girl, despite the hyphen.
    I heard she appeared in the Deathy, Darkish Metaloid story with teen Titans.

    Bat-girl from age 12 to 16, maybe 17 (time of that final TT story in late '70s)

    *somehow becomes Flamebird, exactly unknown but for various theories about the Superman thing,

    possibly by 20 or close?

    eventually remerges to her cousin Kate around age 22 or so?
    i'd say place the kate thing recently and she should be around dick's age
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    In the Marvel timeline, about 15 or so years passed since the Fantastic Four's flight, FF # 1.

    But how many have passed in a comparable time - early '60s - for the DC universe.

    My guess is similar, sort of 15, to maybe 20.

    But from that you have to reverse engineer events and such to figure stuff.

    So, kinda sort, Most of the Silver age and onto the first game changer Crisis on Infinite Earths, mid '80s is maybe the first 5 to 10 years of DC's timeline.

    Leaving at least 10 years have happened since that first Crisis, and most likely up to 5 years more.

    Either that, or comic book characters never grow old (sorry, Sir Elton John)
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    So I finally went to a LCS, after months and months. I'd picked up curbside a few months ago, but had not set foot in there since maybe last February. I'd been going to the same shop sine the mid '80s. Can anyone beat that?

    But amongst other 'pulls' I got the Last Stories of DC universe because it was mentioned that Betty as Bat-girl appears, in one panel.

    She did. I spent $9 to see a nice panel with her and the others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    So I finally went to a LCS, after months and months. I'd picked up curbside a few months ago, but had not set foot in there since maybe last February. I'd been going to the same shop sine the mid '80s. Can anyone beat that?

    But amongst other 'pulls' I got the Last Stories of DC universe because it was mentioned that Betty as Bat-girl appears, in one panel.

    She did. I spent $9 to see a nice panel with her and the others.
    i read it at the shop and I really liked the issue overall. Seeing Bette as Batgirl was really nice
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsukiakari1203 View Post
    i read it at the shop and I really liked the issue overall. Seeing Bette as Batgirl was really nice
    I bought and will read it all, even the stories I would never read.
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    i personally recommend the titans one, the canary/arrow one, plus aqua man's and diana's
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    Thanks. i once read and collected most of the regular DC comics; Green Lantern, Flash, Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, JLA, etc. and just fell out after the first Crisis. But I did keep Legion of Super Heroes for a few years. They were really in a different continuity and there was

    Sensor Girl. Which was a fantastic mystery. Did you ever read the original Sensor Girl story?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    Thanks. i once read and collected most of the regular DC comics; Green Lantern, Flash, Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, JLA, etc. and just fell out after the first Crisis. But I did keep Legion of Super Heroes for a few years. They were really in a different continuity and there was

    Sensor Girl. Which was a fantastic mystery. Did you ever read the original Sensor Girl story?
    Legion is not really a comic I am very interested in, sorry
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    It was a great mystery. I loved that story for its mystery and how it was revealed.

    Bette Kane is/has a mystery too, and maybe it would make her character more important. But the writers have to see that.
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    batgirls discord server! bette is included

    link here
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    Question is Mary still cannon as Batgirl or just Flamebird

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    Quote Originally Posted by AmiMizuno View Post
    Question is Mary still cannon as Batgirl or just Flamebird
    Well, she is mostly 'Bette' actually. Mary is hardly used in conjunction with the comic character, so the 'Mary' on the CW channel Batwoman show is sort of a hybrid of Bette.

    But her position as Bat-girl is more or less real, canon, with the most extreme naysayers going to Earth 2 stories for justification (there isn't any really).

    She is certainly canon as the current Flamebird but not featured in any story as that, for some years now.
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    A way of resolving or looking at the dichotomy of her existence or rank as a Bat-/girl is

    in the early years, under the temporary protection or guardianship of her aunt Kathy (the original Batwoman) who was probably not inclined for any thing about this minor Kane child to be revealed or known.

    So some of Bette's time is marginalized or obscured, at least until later, around the time when she tried to get involved with the old Titans, late '70s
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