Yep. Just here to re-post: Nothing.
Yep. Just here to re-post: Nothing.
True, but that still doesn't reach Castle's MO of mutilation, use of blow torch, amputation, etc.
Simply because super heroes do not keep strictly to the law does not make them the same as Punisher. Excessive torture, pulling the intestines out of people, is his every day.
The distance between him and other heroes is miles long.
He doesn't "dispense brutal justice" because he thinks the Justice System is crap. The Maggia killed his family so he's on a suicide-revenge mission against them and he portrays himself as always right. He isn't Batman.
There must be some bad writers and readers after War Journal. Damn.
"Cable was right!"
I don't think you have to turn it off, I guess you already know that what Frank does is wrong. As by you avatar I believe you like Tommy and you doesn't approve his actions either. The fact that a story is well-written, like 2014-2015 Punisher by Nathan Edmondson is, doesn't make a sane person adore and take a bad anti-hero as a symbol.
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To reiterate one final time, as to what Marvel should do about the Punisher, the best answer is this: nothing, nothing, and oh yeah ... nothing. Frank is an always interesting character and I have enjoyed his growth since Conway introduced him back in the 70s.
If they change the character because of these groups and we start do discuss the effects of bad representations and role model of fiction to the real world, there will be a lot of trouble to art production in the future.
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If they don't change or acknowledge the negative aspects though, they continue to have influence, though.
I bring up Jack Bauer from 24 a lot in this discussion because the writers depicted torture as super effective, so much so that servicemen were opting to use it. For better or worse...usually worse...pop culture influences people.
Frankly, they don't have to change Castle himself at all, to mitigate the revenge fantasy that he is. Have him actually kill some sympathetic villains, depict torture as ineffective, acknowledge that some of the people he kills are victims of poverty, etc.
Alright, but this kind of question and possible decisions leads to concepts like good art or bad art. Who's deciding that?
We've got Lupin trending on Netflix right now. If museums start being robbed in France, should the show be held responsible for that?
Also the Punisher has always been seen as an outcast in Marvel universe and there were always some other hero to make a counterpoint to his actions. It was always clear that he wasn't a role model.
On the other hand, if I were the author I think I would be worried about extremist groups using my character as a symbol too.
But ultimately I don't think anything should change at all, except for maybe reinforce the idea that he's a pariah after all.
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Maybe we should deal with crime in real life so Frank doesn't have to do it in his books.
"Cable was right!"
Show me a time when Frank actually killed an innocent person. Show me a time when he killed a sympathetic person, or when his torture wasn't a 100% effective.
Punisher appeals to the darkest fantasies of us, and has done so for decades.
It amazes me how some people are afraid of actually showing him to be in the moral wrong instead of just saying it...
Of course he hasn't killed an innocent person. And so hasn't Spawn. They're anti-heroes, not villains (from the point of view of comics editors).
And, yeah, I know they're very different once Spawn is purely fantastic while the Punisher has some realism.
But there's counterpoint, mate. That's what I'm saying.
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Fraction did a follow up to this story, I believe. Basically, the guy avoided jail on a technicality, got off scott free, and then Punisher killed him.
So yeah, not much of a counter point.
Especially when the comic has no issue making DD complicit in Bullseye's crimes, even though escaping jail on such a regular basis and killing so many is only a comic trope.
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