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    Quote Originally Posted by Revolutionary_Jack View Post
    Because,
    A) The Avengers that she joined is dead -- Tony dead, Widow dead, Cap retired, Hawkeye retired, Hulk crippled, Thor (who knows), Vision (it's complicated).

    B) She would serve as a major anchor in continuity between the early phases of the MCU and the newly emerging expanding stable that's to come with the FF and the X-Men. Since Olsen is so young, she can play Scarlet Witch for another 2 decades or so, and she'll serve as an immediate and visible link between the Infinity Saga and the later ones.

    C) Scarlet Witch remember has never been a major superhero in the comics. She's always been a marginal character in the Avengers, once you do the story of her and Vision (which they wrapped up), and the story of her time in the Avengers, the only thing left is her relationship and history with the mutant community. Because otherwise she doesn't have a deep or dense set of stories and a regular roster of bad guys against whom she regularly fought crime.

    D) Scarlet Witch was introduced as a mutant in the comics. She wasn't always Magneto's daughter true, but she was a mutant at the start from her first appearance. Her and Pietro.
    She's going to the magic side of things though. So I don't see her being on mutant teams. She has no link to them in the comics or movies.

    I don't think she'll be around for a couple decades. But around for a bit longer for them to tell the other half of her story.

    Her stories with mutants were far fewer than anything else. They have her historical lore with Chthon and other elder gods to get into, her magic training, her taking up an apprentice, her being a magic detective that they could get into.

    She was introduced as a mutant, but they didn't do much more than have it be a fact about her. The stories about her even early on were very few once she became an Avenger and the ones from HoM and after wrecked the character permanently.
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    Yeah, literally every piece of her lore is more dense than her mutant one. When it is finally the turn for her mutant part, there won't be much content anyway and it will be about the time for her to leave MCU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GenericUsername View Post
    She's going to the magic side of things though. So I don't see her being on mutant teams.
    If only there were a mutant with magic powers, even named Magic (with a K because it's cool) who has already been cast and played by a Golden Globe winning actress, and who she in current comics is a colleage with on a magic team? If only there was someone like that? Oh wait...

    She has no link to them in the comics or movies.
    There are plenty of stories with Scarlet Witch and Pietro in the X-Men continuity. In adaptations, like the X-Men cartoons from 1992 to X-Men Evolution to Wolverine and the X-Men (produced by Kevin Feige by the way) she's shown and featured as a mutant character.

    The fact is Olsen's Wanda is now a popular character and as a Infinity Saga survivor she can be an anchor point for the coming expansions of the MCU.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaximoffTrash View Post
    Yeah, literally every piece of her lore is more dense than her mutant one.
    A) Wanda doesn't have a lot of lore to start with.

    B) The biggest story of her entire publication history -- House of M -- was very much an X-Men story, about mutantkind, rather than the Avengers. The biggest most consequential footprint she ever made in comics' continuity was in the X-Men lore. (Not that I think or expect she will play a similar role in the MCU).

    C) All her cartoon adaptations have been as an X-Men character.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Revolutionary_Jack View Post
    If only there were a mutant with magic powers, even named Magic (with a K because it's cool) who has already been cast and played by a Golden Globe winning actress, and who she in current comics is a colleage with on a magic team? If only there was someone like that? Oh wait...



    There are plenty of stories with Scarlet Witch and Pietro in the X-Men continuity. In adaptations, like the X-Men cartoons from 1992 to X-Men Evolution to Wolverine and the X-Men (produced by Kevin Feige by the way) she's shown and featured as a mutant character.

    The fact is Olsen's Wanda is now a popular character and as a Infinity Saga survivor she can be an anchor point for the coming expansions of the MCU.
    And Magik could very well join Strange on adventures, but she doesn't really have a link to Wanda. They've fought each other and stood beside each other. That's literally it for them. Wanda has no friends, no family, no romantic links of any sort on that side.

    The movies don't seem to be calling on the cartoons at all. And even on their storyboards and interviews from the studio, they were using a lot of Wanda's lore from the comics.

    Wanda doesn't need to be brood mare for the wish list of everyone's favorite characters to come into the universe. They can and should have their own way of coming into things. And if you still want the familial link of her and Mags, it becomes weird if she brings her "dad" into the universe.

    It's just better for them to come in their own way, have their own lore and their place in their phases that they are likely to get sometime after the next phase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Revolutionary_Jack View Post
    Because,
    A) The Avengers that she joined is dead -- Tony dead, Widow dead, Cap retired, Hawkeye retired, Hulk crippled, Thor (who knows), Vision (it's complicated) -- so there's not much you can do with her in the Avengers. Maybe you can recast and revive some of them but it wouldn't be the versions of the character Olsen's Wanda has a link to.

    B) She would serve as a major anchor in continuity between the early phases of the MCU and the newly emerging expanding stable that's to come with the FF and the X-Men. Since Olsen is so young, she can play Scarlet Witch for another 2 decades or so, and she'll serve as an immediate and visible link between the Infinity Saga and the later ones.

    C) Scarlet Witch remember has never been a major superhero in the comics. She's always been a marginal character in the Avengers, once you do the story of her and Vision (which they wrapped up), and the story of her time in the Avengers, the only thing left is her relationship and history with the mutant community. Because otherwise she doesn't have a deep or dense set of stories and a regular roster of bad guys against whom she regularly fought crime.

    D) Scarlet Witch was introduced as a mutant in the comics. She wasn't always Magneto's daughter true, but she was a mutant at the start from her first appearance. Her and Pietro.
    Mutants were never really important to Wanda, MCU did the right thing

    Quote Originally Posted by GenericUsername View Post
    And Magik could very well join Strange on adventures, but she doesn't really have a link to Wanda. They've fought each other and stood beside each other. That's literally it for them. Wanda has no friends, no family, no romantic links of any sort on that side.

    The movies don't seem to be calling on the cartoons at all. And even on their storyboards and interviews from the studio, they were using a lot of Wanda's lore from the comics.

    Wanda doesn't need to be brood mare for the wish list of everyone's favorite characters to come into the universe. They can and should have their own way of coming into things. And if you still want the familial link of her and Mags, it becomes weird if she brings her "dad" into the universe.

    It's just better for them to come in their own way, have their own lore and their place in their phases that they are likely to get sometime after the next phase.
    You are right they can't just shoehorn Magneto on Wanda. That relationship never existed.

    The best thing frm marvel is that they are professionals and think what is bes for the story and not what is best for some part of the fandom
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    Quote Originally Posted by GenericUsername View Post
    It's just better for them to come in their own way, have their own lore and their place in their phases that they are likely to get sometime after the next phase.
    The X-Men have the biggest lore in all of Marvel Universe and they tie into everything including magic and sorcery. Like there are magic covens who hate the witchbreed (Read Tini Howard's EXCALIBUR) and that's the sorceror's term for mutants.

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    HOM is and always will be (unless Darkhold does wonders) Wanda's most popular storyline all the stuff from the days of old the casuals do not care about, even after the finale HOM was trending on twitter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Revolutionary_Jack View Post
    If only there were a mutant with magic powers, even named Magic (with a K because it's cool) who has already been cast and played by a Golden Globe winning actress, and who she in current comics is a colleage with on a magic team? If only there was someone like that? Oh wait...



    There are plenty of stories with Scarlet Witch and Pietro in the X-Men continuity. In adaptations, like the X-Men cartoons from 1992 to X-Men Evolution to Wolverine and the X-Men (produced by Kevin Feige by the way) she's shown and featured as a mutant character.

    The fact is Olsen's Wanda is now a popular character and as a Infinity Saga survivor she can be an anchor point for the coming expansions of the MCU.



    A) Wanda doesn't have a lot of lore to start with.

    B) The biggest story of her entire publication history -- House of M -- was very much an X-Men story, about mutantkind, rather than the Avengers. The biggest most consequential footprint she ever made in comics' continuity was in the X-Men lore. (Not that I think or expect she will play a similar role in the MCU).

    C) All her cartoon adaptations have been as an X-Men character.
    I think it would be tricky to retcon Magneto into being Wanda's father at this point for two main reasons. First, if the MCU wants to maintain Erik's origins as a Holocaust survivor, it would strain credulity for folks to believe that he could actually be her old man. It's just too hard for me to understand how they can square that circle. It would be highly unlikely (in my opinion) for Feige to give Magneto age-defying powers as well as magnetic ones. Secondly, Pietro was a HUGE part of the dynamic between the Maximoff twins and Magneto. And after seeing what happened in WandaVision, it's highly unlikely for Disney to resurrect Quicksilver to re-create that family dynamic. So I say Wanda stays magical and not mutant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Revolutionary_Jack View Post
    A) Wanda doesn't have a lot of lore to start with.

    B) The biggest story of her entire publication history -- House of M -- was very much an X-Men story, about mutantkind, rather than the Avengers. The biggest most consequential footprint she ever made in comics' continuity was in the X-Men lore. (Not that I think or expect she will play a similar role in the MCU).

    C) All her cartoon adaptations have been as an X-Men character.

    A. So false jfc, lol. I know most of her lore is inaccessible to most because it's in a huge chunk of Avengers Volume 1, but that doesn't mean there isn't much there. She has over 1200 issues of lore they can comb through.

    B. HoM is not her biggest story. She's in a coma through most of it. It's mostly a Wolverine story of a universe that she created for her estranged father and none of the universe is for or centered around her.

    C. That's because those cartoons never bother to evolve her past their equivalent of her being in the Brotherhood. A time of her life that takes up so few of her canon that she was only there for 9 issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Revolutionary_Jack View Post
    The X-Men have the biggest lore in all of Marvel Universe and they tie into everything including magic and sorcery. Like there are magic covens who hate the witchbreed (Read Tini Howard's EXCALIBUR) and that's the sorceror's term for mutants.
    They have plenty of their own lore for sure. Very few of that has anything at all to do with Wanda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Albert1981 View Post
    I think it would be tricky to retcon Magneto into being Wanda's father at this point for two main reasons. First, if the MCU wants to maintain Erik's origins as a Holocaust survivor, it would strain credulity for folks to believe that he could actually be her old man. It's just too hard for me to understand how they can square that circle. Secondly, Pietro was a HUGE part of the dynamic between the Maximoff twins and Magneto. And after seeing what happened in WandaVision, it's highly unlikely for Disney to resurrect Quicksilver to re-create that family dynamic. So I say Wanda stays magical and not mutant.
    They could say mags was a Male Cougar not like that wouldn't be true!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Journey View Post
    HOM is and always will be (unless Darkhold does wonders) Wanda's most popular storyline all the stuff from the days of old the casuals do not care about after, even after the finale HOM was trending on twitter.
    HoM barely have anything to do with Wanda and Wandavision. I can't careless about casuals

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    I am actually not against Magik and Wanda interacting. Or Magik using the already established lore surrounding Darkhold since well, Belasco serves N'Garai which are creation of Chthon.
    But again, they should be connected through mystical lore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Journey View Post
    HOM is and always will be (unless Darkhold does wonders) Wanda's most popular storyline all the stuff from the days of old the casuals do not care about after, even after the finale HOM was trending on twitter.
    It's infamous for Wanda because most don't realize her lack of presence in the actual story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaximoffTrash View Post
    I am actually not against Magik and Wanda interacting. Or Magik using the already established lore surrounding Darkhold since well, Belasco serves N'Garai which are creation of Chthon.
    But again, they should be connected through mystical lore.
    I'm alright with it, I liked them on Aaron's Doc Strange book

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