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    Quote Originally Posted by GenericUsername View Post
    I've been thinking that he's a version of Gyrich.
    I know some are calling Hayward a Cartoon Villain, but honestly with what we have seen in just our world alone over the past year alone, such characters don't sadly suprise me anymore, they seem more commonplace then I like to have believe.
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    why hasn't any of the Dr Strange MoM cast been leaked already? (Only miss america)

    They're filming the movie like the new Thor and we know that that movie will have Gorr as the villain and stuff

    i wonder if Wanda will have a happy ending after MoM i mean she needs to have her kids again because the YA are coming either way.

    Btw by how the comics and movies are portaying Wanda's powers it reminds me to Eris from the greek mythology but without the evilness

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaximoffTrash View Post
    I think the worst part is him purposefully hiding his intent with Vision's body though, like, how many people even know(Monica is pretty high rank and even she wasn't informed), it would be one thing to extract Vibranium from Vision's body and use it for something else(or just seal them), since there is an argument to be made about keeping rare/dangerous material in safe hands.(And Wanda is mostly reasonable other than breaking some glass)
    But I guess Ultron's design for a synthezoid is just too good to pass on?(No one is able to replicate Vision's creation process I think, he is significantly more powerful than your average robotic soldier.) They don't have efficient ways of building their own killer robots, yet.
    That might be because Ultron used the Mind

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    Quote Originally Posted by teapartyofthedead View Post
    I’m only now wading through the social media reaction to WandaVision. My first impression seems that most people are busy arguing about Fietro and to what degree was everyone having high expectations and Marvel deliberately overhyping it as a Multiverse mystery box show. Most of them aren’t comic fans though, and of them, most weren’t Wanda fans. But I also imagine that as more and more powers think the implications through, that will come to the surface more.
    Exactly. I agree with you completely. The Fietro outrage will pass. What happened in Westview will be scrutinized further for sure. And with all due respect to the posters on this thread, who I really like and agree with most of the time, I have yet to be convinced of ANY of their justifications for Wanda's actions. Or Monica's pathetic defense of them. Oh, you can tell me she's a fictional character and this is a superhero show so why make a big fuss out of it. Lord knows how many threads are created here devoted to fictional characters! And trust me, I'm not worked up. I'm not angry, hurt, or taking things too seriously. I'm pretty chill and relaxed as always. I'm just disappointed the show made Wanda look terrible. Her costume looked great, but running (or flying away) from the trouble in Westview was not just unheroic behavior. It was wrong. You can say the repercussions can be dealt with in Doctor Strange 2. I ask, why wait?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albert1981 View Post
    Exactly. I agree with you completely. The Fietro outrage will pass. What happened in Westview will be scrutinized further for sure. And with all due respect to the posters on this thread, who I really like and agree with most of the time, I have yet to be convinced of ANY of their justifications for Wanda's actions. Or Monica's pathetic defense of them. Oh, you can tell me she's a fictional character and this is a superhero show so why make a big fuss out of it. Lord knows how many threads are created here devoted to fictional characters! And trust me, I'm not worked up. I'm not angry, hurt, or taking things too seriously. I'm pretty chill and relaxed as always. I'm just disappointed the show made Wanda look terrible. Her costume looked great, but running (or flying away) from the trouble in Westview was not just unheroic behavior. It was wrong. You can say the repercussions can be dealt with in Doctor Strange 2. I ask, why wait?
    The thing is nothing is supposed to be justified. It's all human flaws on display. Wanda's overwhelming grief and out of control powers leading to the hex that controlled people so she could live in a fantasy world and be ok, Hayward egging her on and turning Vision into a weapon, Agatha getting close to Wanda, not to help but to figure out how to steal her powers.

    It does the show a terrible disservice to try to boil it down to black and white morals and values. I don't think it was ever meant that way.

    And Wandas powers and journey will be earned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rang10 View Post
    He comes bad because he is bad. His approach is a cop shooting a suspect without giving hi a chance to surrender.

    Monica comes good because she learned a way to do it with less collaterlal damage.
    Wanda had a chance to surrender herself when she came out of the hex the first time. She threatened S.W.OR.D. She was a dangerous threat and they did not have the means to take her down the way they would the average threat. Given the circumstances, it wasnt wrong to want to take her out given the opportunity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GenericUsername View Post
    The thing is nothing is supposed to be justified. It's all human flaws on display. Wanda's overwhelming grief and out of control powers leading to the hex that controlled people so she could live in a fantasy world and be ok, Hayward egging her on and turning Vision into a weapon, Agatha getting close to Wanda, not to help but to figure out how to steal her powers.

    It does the show a terrible disservice to try to boil it down to black and white morals and values. I don't think it was ever meant that way.

    And Wandas powers and journey will be earned.
    Yea as much as I want Agatha to later on come back and be Wanda's mentor, she knew what was going on and did nothing to stop it only to keep it all going while Wanda was lost in a Breakdown she did not fully grasp or was lost in due to her breakdown. Agatha might have been able to end it but she did not care, she just wanted power.

    Hayward egged allot of natsty things on and kept vital information from his Team like Monica and try to make leathal calls without permision or understanding the situation. He made it worst and his actions with Vision's body made SWORD look like an organization you could not trust cause they abused their power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruelrain View Post
    why hasn't any of the Dr Strange MoM cast been leaked already? (Only miss america)
    Apparently the movie is under really strict secrecy and of course it's mostly filming on studio sets under COVID restrictions, so it's easy to keep away from the paparazzi.

    As to why, they probably didn't want Wanda's new costume and anything else Wanda-related to leak out before her show was over. Whatever her role in this (hero, villain, or likely somewhere in between) won't be known for a while.

    I think there was a leak that the child actors playing Billy and Tommy showed up to the set, but that's hardly a spoiler now given the tag of her show.

    Quote Originally Posted by teapartyofthedead View Post
    I’m only now wading through the social media reaction to WandaVision. My first impression seems that most people are busy arguing about Fietro and to what degree was everyone having high expectations and Marvel deliberately overhyping it as a Multiverse mystery box show. Most of them aren’t comic fans though, and of them, most weren’t Wanda fans. But I also imagine that as more and more people think the implications through, that will come to the surface more.
    I have to say, and I wish this wasn't true, but I don't think it will hurt her popularity one bit. One reason Marvel feels free to treat her this way is they've seen the popularity of a character like Loki, who does terrible things and fans just love him more and more.

    Heck, in Wanda's first movie she hexed the Hulk to rampage in a populated city -- something far worse than she did in her show and it wasn't (or at least didn't seem to be) an accident -- and most people didn't care; fans who hated her usually hated her because she hexed Tony Stark and other characters more popular than she.

    Unfortunately the writers know that most people don't care about bystanders except as tools to drive the heroes' journey, and that the only thing that can make a character unpopular is hurting a more popular character.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gurkle View Post
    Apparently the movie is under really strict secrecy and of course it's mostly filming on studio sets under COVID restrictions, so it's easy to keep away from the paparazzi.

    As to why, they probably didn't want Wanda's new costume and anything else Wanda-related to leak out before her show was over. Whatever her role in this (hero, villain, or likely somewhere in between) won't be known for a while.

    I think there was a leak that the child actors playing Billy and Tommy showed up to the set, but that's hardly a spoiler now given the tag of her show.
    It was said the actors that played the boys where shown to be in London around the time of the shooting of the movie, so that may a nice indicator they will play a part in the move and it is good they are getting more work and not just only the WandaVision Project. I know I want to see the boys grown-up for the YA starting years, but I would be glad they stay around cause their where good in thier roles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok83 View Post
    Wanda had a chance to surrender herself when she came out of the hex the first time. She threatened S.W.OR.D. She was a dangerous threat and they did not have the means to take her down the way they would the average threat. Given the circumstances, it wasnt wrong to want to take her out given the opportunity.
    It's not wrong but incredibly stupid to keep agitating someone with god-like powers. When he could have defused the situation before the Hex was created.

    And Wanda for sure could have turned herself in. But she just watched those officials turn her late husband into a weapon. What would they do to her?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GenericUsername View Post
    The thing is nothing is supposed to be justified. It's all human flaws on display. Wanda's overwhelming grief and out of control powers leading to the hex that controlled people so she could live in a fantasy world and be ok, Hayward egging her on and turning Vision into a weapon, Agatha getting close to Wanda, not to help but to figure out how to steal her powers.

    It does the show a terrible disservice to try to boil it down to black and white morals and values. I don't think it was ever meant that way.

    And Wandas powers and journey will be earned.
    I've mentioned before that good vs evil stuff in fictional stories bore me. That kind of black and white storytelling is not compelling in my view. But maybe it's because I watch true crime shows on a fairly regular basis, my views on morality and ethics are a little bit more rigid. I don't know if that's a fault or I'm being simplistic, but I've been influenced by those documentaries. It's been mentioned here that intent is very important when determining the punishment of crimes. And I agree to a certain extent it is...To the courts. Try telling that to the victims. Wanda knew she could mind control people since AoU. She knew by episode 3 that things were off. By episode 5 Vision told her about Norm. By episode 6 she admitted she was responsible to Fietro and asking if he thought it was okay. Just plain rationalization. My black and white view? Some things are wrong and right. People are making excuses and trying to find moral ambiguity for mass torture. This is not petty theft, these people wanted to die because of what she was doing. No amount of good intentions or context excuses that. And sadly fans of Wanda in the MCU are gonna keep on loving her despite the harm she has caused. Because she's got a great costume and she's gonna use some badass powers. Maybe my standards are too high, but I prefer my heroes to take responsibility for their transgressions. I would like to think you and other posters here feel the same way. Hopefully, Wanda will do that in future appearances, but I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the citizens of Westview are never mentioned again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CJStriker View Post
    This is for my friends I care for and other fellow fans need more to know if Wanda is being Loved after the end of the Show, this is a gift for You to show the World is Loving Wanda!

    Quote Originally Posted by Daedra View Post
    Ooooh that was lovely CJ, really hearth warming, thank you for posting this video.....all those people cheering for wanda, may chthon bless them.
    Thanks Daedra, Glad you Enjoyed it and I want others to enjoy it to and get truly what is happening.

    While we debate in the weeds stuff here on CBR like a comic book owner I know and talked to today felt Wanda Cameout great in this and all these negatives we are worried about did not come across to him at all.

    This is the same setiment I am seeing in Places like YouTube and in comments, People are loving Wanda and Feeling bad for her for what she went threw, causing them to litteraly cry over it.

    Most times even when one of the negatives we worry about that Wanda got out of this is mentioned, other come to her defense in similiar ways the I, You Daedra and other Fans here on CBR have talk about too.

    My point is Wanda has come out of this Better and Stronger and more well seen then anytime before in her career. The Weeds we worry about are not how the world views it and they stick to Wanda and Support her.

    Again My Point is we should know Love is on Wanda Side and Support and we should appriated positive she has come out looked to so many fans and viewers after this show has ended, this was a Positive and I want to help my fellow Friends here that worry about her future to see she is in a better place then we realize.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Albert1981 View Post
    I've mentioned before that good vs evil stuff in fictional stories bore me. That kind of black and white storytelling is not compelling in my view. But maybe it's because I watch true crime shows on a fairly regular basis, my views on morality and ethics are a little bit more rigid. I don't know if that's a fault or I'm being simplistic, but I've been influenced by those documentaries. It's been mentioned here that intent is very important when determining the punishment of crimes. And I agree to a certain extent it is...To the courts. Try telling that to the victims. Wanda knew she could mind control people since AoU. She knew by episode 3 that things were off. By episode 5 Vision told her about Norm. By episode 6 she admitted she was responsible to Fietro and asking if he thought it was okay. Just plain rationalization. My black and white view? Some things are wrong and right. People are making excuses and trying to find moral ambiguity for mass torture. This is not petty theft, these people wanted to die because of what she was doing. No amount of good intentions or context excuses that. And sadly fans of Wanda in the MCU are gonna keep on loving her. Because she's got a great costume and she's gonna use some badass powers. Maybe my standards are too high, but I prefer my heroes to take responsibility for their transgressions. I would like to think you and other posters here feel the same way. Hopefully, Wanda will do that in future appearances, but I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the citizens of Westview are never mentioned again.
    People love heroes, antagonists and villains. They loved Widow with her red ledger, they loved Hulk with his out of control powers, Hawkeye with his murdering spree, Loki with all his lies and deception.

    The love people have for characters does not have to be excusive to ones that never have flaws or do anything wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok83 View Post
    Wanda had a chance to surrender herself when she came out of the hex the first time. She threatened S.W.OR.D. She was a dangerous threat and they did not have the means to take her down the way they would the average threat. Given the circumstances, it wasnt wrong to want to take her out given the opportunity.
    She wasn't herself. She bewitched herself to that point. It was clearly wrong, because it is like wake up someone sleepwalking.
    It'sa mental health issue, not a cop issue

    Quote Originally Posted by GenericUsername View Post
    People love heroes, antagonists and villains. They loved Widow with her red ledger, they loved Hulk with his out of control powers, Hawkeye with his murdering spree, Loki with all his lies and deception.

    The love people have for characters does not have to be excusive to ones that never have flaws or do anything wrong.
    people loved Stark when he did supply guns to murder innocents. If people loved him but drew the line on Wanda? well that really speaks about people twisted morals
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rang10 View Post
    She wasn't herself. She bewitched herself to that point. It was clearly wrong, because it is like wake up someone sleepwalking.
    It'sa mental health issue, not a cop issue



    people loved Stark when he did supply guns to murder innocents. If people loved him but drew the line on Wanda? well that really speaks about people twisted morals
    It's not really twisted morals. These are all fictional characters. People can like certain things about characters (they make a convincing villain, an interesting character, etc) without approving of their actions.
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