~ Oberon ~
Comic-book reading Witch and Pagan since 1970
I came for Kate, I stayed for Bette Love Fantastic Four, Namor, Batwoman, Dr.Strange.... i love them all
~ Oberon ~
Comic-book reading Witch and Pagan since 1970
I came for Kate, I stayed for Bette Love Fantastic Four, Namor, Batwoman, Dr.Strange.... i love them all
In trying to be more explaining, the context of TV shows and Movies is different.
I mentioned this much earlier. TV shows have a conceit of challenging you to keep watching. So they never play their cards up front.
Would we watch Family Feud if Steve Harvey tells the answer but still asks the question?
TV shows like this one are strongly in the Soap Opera context (this is actually, really, truly [please believe me!] very standard for most serialized story telling; comics books, soap operas and any continuing characters - even James Bond at times)
Characters get boring if they're always the same type. So they change over times, not always each and every single role and in no particular order. This may not apply to each and every character, but generally:
Abuser
Abused
Redemptionist
that is all. Your main/major characters will move through these roles, though lesser important ones - red shirts, others, may not or in the same way. Character 'arcs'.
So with Monica, we're getting a different story than - Avengers Endgame, which was a culmination of many movies and related plots.
Movies move towards iconic moments - Cap smiling when Mjolnir flies into his hand or when he says 'assemble'.
TV shows move slower; it is a convention you have to understand. Or hate or love. You really have to accept it, more than the others.
The Moniceraldine character you want more of, may not really exist; it was a plot convention.
~ Oberon ~
Comic-book reading Witch and Pagan since 1970
I came for Kate, I stayed for Bette Love Fantastic Four, Namor, Batwoman, Dr.Strange.... i love them all
~ Oberon ~
Comic-book reading Witch and Pagan since 1970
I came for Kate, I stayed for Bette Love Fantastic Four, Namor, Batwoman, Dr.Strange.... i love them all
I am enjoying the show, and I do actually appreciate what it is trying to do. It's VERY risky and I think we can all safely say that it's a challenging series. You're right, I'm a bit of a debbie downer because WandaVision has been a downer. Even the humor fits into that mold. At first I thought it was just me, but don't you find the jokes being made are sort of "false" and "artificial", and the writers of this series are totally doing that on purpose? This is not the Gunn/Waititi/Whedon humor that I'm used to where there's no hidden meaning behind it. I am very understanding about mental illness. I think stigmatizing it is wrong and it should be treated the same as physical disabilities. I also think it is good to talk about these issues instead of bottling up these things inside. I just feel sorry that there are so many people in the world who are suffering in silence because they don't have access to medication and therapy. And that goes for people who endured this since the dawn of human civilization. I just feel it's weird that superhero action adventure movies and shows would be tackling these subjects. I mean, there are PLENTY of movies and shows in other genres who can deal with this in FAR greater detail. Why this one? It's a bit of a downer to me, yes. That just takes away from my joy in watching it. Vision and Wanda are very unhappy characters in the comic books, I was hoping that the MCU would avoid some of that stuff in their portrayals of them on screen.
Last edited by Albert1981; 02-24-2021 at 09:02 AM.
Maybe I'm missing something. Judging by the comments here I probably am! I'm just saying I'm not thrilled with some of the direction the MCU is taking. They're introducing darker and more mature themes which I had hoped they would avoid. We already have so many real-life problems, why should that stuff bleed into the movies/shows which are meant to purely entertain us, you know? It's not just WandaVision I'm worried about. I mean, we're gonna get drug dealers in Spider-Man 3? Clint's probably gotten divorced too. Although I am pleased that Hawkeye will show people that deaf people can be heroes too. I consider Thor: Ragnarok to be the pinnacle of all superhero movies. And I want the tone and feel of that film to be preserved in Thor 4. But now I'm hearing that Love & Thunder will be dealing with Jane's cancer story (and I absolutely think cancer should be handled with care and sensitivity in the MCU. They did a great job of it in WandaVision). If that's the case, Thor 4 CAN'T be a funny movie. These stories are downers. Do audiences really want to watch these kinds of stories?
Last edited by Albert1981; 02-24-2021 at 09:28 AM.
Oh, you bring up some excellent points. I never thought about things that way. For me, I watched shows like Star Trek, the Twilight Zone, Quantum Leap and even Touched by an Angel. Most episodes were standalones so I didn't have to watch them all to get what was going on.
I think the show is trying to tackle TOO many stories at once. Take for example that BRUTAL argument Wanda and Vision had in Episode 5. I've never seen anything like that in a superhero film/show. To me they were kind of diving into issues like spousal emotional abuse and I thought that was really mature for a Disney product. It was very engaging and I kind of enjoyed it. But ever since then, Wanda hasn't been the same person. It's like she's turned into somebody else. I wish the show could have pursued the aftermath of that fight a little bit more, but then we got the surprise Quicksilver reveal. Then we had the next episode of Pietro fucking toying with Wanda's emotions and messing with her kids. Which was very intriguing, but after she blasted him that was not pursued EITHER. In the last episode, the show went ALL in on Wanda's depression. Even so far as letting audiences know that she wasn't even being honest with herself let alone other people when she kept insisting that she was "fine". But then we had the Agatha reveal. I just feel the show's use of sudden reveals at the end of each episode TOOK AWAY discussion about the things which were featured earlier in them. People talked about Pietro and Agatha after the revelations about them, but now nobody's really talking about Wanda's mental and emotional state as much. And trust me, that's not a comfortable subject to talk about. But if the show's gonna go THERE, then let's focus on that.
Last edited by Albert1981; 02-24-2021 at 09:35 AM.
I appreciate your recent comments. And I'm sorry if I was overbearing myself.
I think superheroes became 'darker themed' in the comics quite a while ago and I'm going to say it was mostly that Dark Knight and Wolverine stories in the '80s and/ or '90s. So 'dark' sells, pretty much.
And yeah it may seem that there is a lot of depression type stories. But it does sell. What could be more depressing that Infinity War with everyone dusting, including Wanda.
I'm enjoying the ride. Pretty sure there are surprises I will enjoy. I want Agatha to not be done with, but we will see. If Agatha is more like her comic counterpart, than after this, if she becomes a more credible characters, she could be recast by an older looking Witchy woman, if Hahn didn't want or get that offer. I'd be okay with her comedic stance, because it nuances her evil. Delightful. Thanks for sharing!
~ Oberon ~
Comic-book reading Witch and Pagan since 1970
I came for Kate, I stayed for Bette Love Fantastic Four, Namor, Batwoman, Dr.Strange.... i love them all