Wandavision

[MaximoffTrash]

So I came across this on my feed and ROFL:

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While I agree comic knowledge is somewhat needed when it comes to adaption.
Mephisto is mostly irrelevant to the purpose of the show, people are dead set on the idea of Mephisto being involved not based upon the actual understanding of the character, but rather the widely spread misconcept about those characters.

Jac Schaeffer knowing nothing about Mephisto ultimately won't affect her doing the job.

[John Venus]

I think she is mostly trolling because Mephisto was a part of the comics that WandaVision was based on. I'm just laughing at all the theorists who swore that Mephisto was going to show up at the end. They are just mad that the show ultimately turned out to be about Wanda and didn't use her as a plot device to set up Magento, the X-Men and other faves like Mephisto.

[MaximoffTrash]

I think she is mostly trolling because Mephisto was a part of the comics that WandaVision was based on. I'm just laughing at all the theorists who swore that Mephisto was going to show up at the end. They are just mad that the show ultimately turned out to be about Wanda and didn't use her as a plot device to set up Magento, the X-Men and other faves like Mephisto.

Yeah, I find WV theorists particularly insufferable because they looove to pretend they know shit.
The term "in the comics" got thrown around all the time when few of them actually read beyond AD/HOM/Byrne's WCA.(If they read at all.)
The desire to be some kind of "authority" over the direction of the show is obnoxious, theorizing can be fun if the theorists have some basic understanding of the source material, the media they are being adapted into, and of course some bloody nuance and mayyybe some genuine love/respect for the characters involved(Because some theories feel like they want a snuff porn or something, like seriously.)
And a lot of times, theorists simply lack what I mentioend.

[GenericUsername]

I think she is mostly trolling because Mephisto was a part of the comics that WandaVision was based on. I'm just laughing at all the theorists who swore that Mephisto was going to show up at the end. They are just mad that the show ultimately turned out to be about Wanda and didn't use her as a plot device to set up Magento, the X-Men and other faves like Mephisto.

I don't think she's trolling. It seems like what they used was based on limited references. Likely not the whole story. And Mephisto was a retcon for the boys. They originally were not Mephisto soul babies, so it's possible they were just not exposed to those panels.

[Oberon]

I'm just going to assume actual souls filled the vessels of the Billy and Tommy Wanda created (hence the "thank you for choosing me to be your mom" line) and the souls are still out there.

From the point of those who believe in reincarnation, we / you have to differentiate between a soul and a personality. In our incarnations we may have a very different type of personality, feelings, etc. than we did in our other lifetimes. The soul is the only thing that is the constant, the personality and 'karmic' issues are decided inbetween incarnations. What does your soul think it needs to learn in the new lifetime. I've heard a Hindu thought: Karma can only happen on the earthly plane. Meaning when you are not incarnate, nothing can be rewarded or taken, etc - In other esoterics, maybe Pagan even, some evil souls can be cut off totally from the earthly plane, but it comes at great costs to the person casting such spells.

[Probability010]

You said this so well, better than me, but the point that Wanda has seemingly decided to teach herself 'control' as in learning spell craft and the whys, wherefores and wisdom of it, is great. I know others talked about this too because most of did not want Wanda to be "trained by a man", Dr. Strange. I would like to see Agatha return in some form, somewhat contrite and willing to atone as well.

I think that a possible interesting way to go about DS2 would be to imply by opening, that Strange and Wanda have been in touch since Westview and before their movie.
I would like to see a test of wills and or her humility vs his (still) arrogance.
I think the difference with / to some degree Dr. Strange and his type have learned how to cast spells and control 'forces'. Wanda is the force, really and that is why this should mirror what happened when she met Agatha; that she learned how to really control her energy/magic. So I think she is more powerful.
And I wonder about the role of Rachel McAdams, Strange's on again off again lover, Dr. Palmer. She was not used very well in the first movie, but now I get the feeling she is bound to be more important. Is she possibly more than 'Dr. Palmer'. It would be one of those Buffy like twists that she actually turns out to be (some form of) Clea, sorta spying on on Dr. Strange.
I guess whether or not that kind of plot could happen depends on how things catch up with the other projects. I don't even remember if the next Spiderman is supposed to be out before Strange 2, I think it might be.
Again, for me, I can't say how relieved and happy I am, if the mutant/daughter of the Mags will not happen. Let the X-Men find their own way, as Nick Adams once said of Godzilla and Rodan, way back in Monster Zero!

Thank You

Well, yes, Wanda has been (save for the wonky beginnings) a symbol for a strong independent woman (without belittling men). Wanda being teached by Doctor Strange would undermine that. Especially it would leave a sour taste, after how Strange was used to belittle Wanda by Bendis and more recently by Hickman. I want Wanda and Strange in the same story, quiet a lot actually, but as equals. I am not sure how much they even can learn from each other, because the way they use magic is so different. I rather think because they are so different, they can complement each other in solving problems and fighting enemies.

Also I assume DS2 will defy some people’s expectations of Wanda being the villain, just like WV defied some people’s expectations of Wanda going all crazy.

[Oberon]

While I agree comic knowledge is somewhat needed when it comes to adaption.
Mephisto is mostly irrelevant to the purpose of the show, people are dead set on the idea of Mephisto being involved not based upon the actual understanding of the character, but rather the widely spread misconcept about those characters.

Jac Schaeffer knowing nothing about Mephisto ultimately won't affect her doing the job.

I suppose, but in most of the classic stories I remember (and I admit to not being as current with M's appearances more recently)

Mephisto has heavily involved illusions - so this was a great switch and bait for me. I really expected that. It may come later in her storyline (the twins thing too)

[Oberon]

I think she is mostly trolling because Mephisto was a part of the comics that WandaVision was based on. I'm just laughing at all the theorists who swore that Mephisto was going to show up at the end. They are just mad that the show ultimately turned out to be about Wanda and didn't use her as a plot device to set up Magento, the X-Men and other faves like Mephisto.

I'm not super mad at Mephisto not being there/yet, and I would be loathe to have WV bring Mags and the mutants in. Too easy, and mutant fans don't deserve it, after the way they've trounced Wanda for nearly 20 years.

[MaximoffTrash]

I suppose, but in most of the classic stories I remember (and I admit to not being as current with M's appearances more recently)

Mephisto has heavily involved illusions - so this was a great switch and bait for me. I really expected that. It may come later in her storyline (the twins thing too)

Well, Mephisto is not that involved with Wanda and I just think Chthon deserved that spot way more than Mephisto.
Also Mephisto would suggest Wanda actively doing a "deal with the devil".

[juan678]

[Cruelrain]

Vision, Billy and Tommy are going to be forever in quarantine if the series ended like that...

[Triniking1234]

I think she is mostly trolling because Mephisto was a part of the comics that WandaVision was based on. I'm just laughing at all the theorists who swore that Mephisto was going to show up at the end. They are just mad that the show ultimately turned out to be about Wanda and didn't use her as a plot device to set up Magento, the X-Men and other faves like Mephisto.

Wait, which ones?

[Wiccan]

Wait, which ones?

West Coast Avengers, when it's revealed/retconned that the twins souls were shards of Mephisto. Though it's Master Pandemonium who really does all the work.

[Triniking1234]

West Coast Avengers, when it's revealed/retconned that the twins souls were shards of Mephisto. Though it's Master Pandemonium who really does all the work.

Hold on. I thought Mephisto was the one who broke up Pandemonium's soul (which caused the pentagram hole in his stomach) and all the shards were his.

[GenericUsername]

Hold on. I thought Mephisto was the one who broke up Pandemonium's soul (which caused the pentagram hole in his stomach) and all the shards were his.

That is the story before that point. Master Pandemonium being a dude who was badly injured in an accident making a deal with Mephisto was before his appearance in Avengers West Coast. By that point he was already being tricked by Mephisto that the twins are part of his own soul. So he consumes them. But they end up really being shards of Mephisto's soul. He doesn't make an appearance until after Master Pandemonium did all the work.