Is DC struggling to sell comics?

[fin5]

Why is it harder for dc than Marvel.post covet 19.DC is changing there game out.So Future state is about changing and paving the way for new heroes to take up the mantel. I guess we will see how it goes. Future state is like changing of the Gard.I wonder if the readers will like the new changing way

[kf26]

Why is it harder for dc than Marvel.post covet 19.DC is changing there game out.So Future state is about changing and paving the way for new heroes to take up the mantel. I guess we will see how it goes. Future state is like changing of the Gard.I wonder if the readers will like the new changing way

Any proof of that? and Future State is only a 2 month event.

[cranger]

I don't think DC is struggling to sell comics more than Marvel. Marvel is not doing well selling comics either. They just have momentum and can flood the shelves and play with numbers using variants and over ships and cover prices. Retailers have little choice but to rely on that tactic. That is not to say Marvel did not ultimately outsell DC, Marvel has dominated the market. But Marvel books suffered the effects of diminishing sales as bad and often worse than DC.

I do think DC is not content with playing the same old game though.

[Celgress]

DC Comics does seem to be in trouble there is no denying that. Things can't continue the way there are. Now if Future State is the beginning of their renaissance or their last dying gasp remains to be seen.

[kf26]

DC Comics does seem to be in trouble there is no denying that. Things can't continue the way there are. Now if Future State is the beginning of their renaissance or their last dying gasp remains to be seen.

you mean infinite frontier?

[Celgress]

you mean infinite frontier?

Whatever they call it, I've lost track.

[Tom Kalbfus]

I don't think DC is struggling to sell comics more than Marvel. Marvel is not doing well selling comics either. They just have momentum and can flood the shelves and play with numbers using variants and over ships and cover prices. Retailers have little choice but to rely on that tactic. That is not to say Marvel did not ultimately outsell DC, Marvel has dominated the market. But Marvel books suffered the effects of diminishing sales as bad and often worse than DC.

I do think DC is not content with playing the same old game though.

There is an elephant in the room no one wants to talk about.

[skyvolt2000]

There is an elephant in the room no one wants to talk about.

NO there is not.

There are two-three comics book NOT by Marvel or DC or Boom (looking at you Power Rangers) that toss out an average of 6 variants a MONTH.

Zombie Tramp is on this week's FOC. Know how many variants that book has EVERY MONTH? 6. It is at issue 78. 498 covers in all.

Batman-the current run has 345 out of 105 issues.
Star Wars (previous run) had 333 out of 75 issues.
Star war (current) 21 out of 10 issues.
Black Panther since 2016 has 106.
Priest's Vampirella has 150 out of 19 issues.
X-Men Red tossed out 41.

Yet I bet when folks visit stores they have NOT see all 498 covers or Zombie Tramp on shelves. Because LOL stores don't order all those covers.
So what is the DIFFERENCE?

Oh that is right-there is a DEMAND for those variants from Marvel and DC. Like I have pointed out in the past-I know a store owner who has customers that will buy EVERY variant of a book (first issue that is). In fact they do it for EVERY new book at Marvel and DC and Power Rangers.

Meanwhile I went to a comic con and ANOTHER store owner was have variant cover blow out from his 6 stores. All books $2. I spent $20. Adding up the prices on those variants-$250. One of those DC variants that I got for $2 is listed on Midtown for $80. Another at $50.

There is no elephant in the room. Dc and Marvel are doing what the FANS are allowing them to do.

See I can understand doing more than 2 variants for a book.
I can excuse the Wonder Woman 84 movie variants because that was for the movie. Same with Eternals, Justice League, Wanda Vision and so on.
I understand tv photo covers that IDW does with Star Trek & CSI.

I do have an issue when it's done for GREED-Jim Lee trading card covers. A LOT don't need to be made.
Some of those can be PRINTS.

[Tom Kalbfus]

NO there is not.

There are two-three comics book NOT by Marvel or DC or Boom (looking at you Power Rangers) that toss out an average of 6 variants a MONTH.

Zombie Tramp is on this week's FOC. Know how many variants that book has EVERY MONTH? 6. It is at issue 78. 498 covers in all.

Batman-the current run has 345 out of 105 issues.
Star Wars (previous run) had 333 out of 75 issues.
Star war (current) 21 out of 10 issues.
Black Panther since 2016 has 106.
Priest's Vampirella has 150 out of 19 issues.
X-Men Red tossed out 41.

Yet I bet when folks visit stores they have NOT see all 498 covers or Zombie Tramp on shelves. Because LOL stores don't order all those covers.
So what is the DIFFERENCE?

Oh that is right-there is a DEMAND for those variants from Marvel and DC. Like I have pointed out in the past-I know a store owner who has customers that will buy EVERY variant of a book (first issue that is). In fact they do it for EVERY new book at Marvel and DC and Power Rangers.

Meanwhile I went to a comic con and ANOTHER store owner was have variant cover blow out from his 6 stores. All books $2. I spent $20. Adding up the prices on those variants-$250. One of those DC variants that I got for $2 is listed on Midtown for $80. Another at $50.

There is no elephant in the room. Dc and Marvel are doing what the FANS are allowing them to do.

See I can understand doing more than 2 variants for a book.
I can excuse the Wonder Woman 84 movie variants because that was for the movie. Same with Eternals, Justice League, Wanda Vision and so on.
I understand tv photo covers that IDW does with Star Trek & CSI.

I do have an issue when it's done for GREED-Jim Lee trading card covers. A LOT don't need to be made.
Some of those can be PRINTS.

Why don't you just subscribe to those comic books or download them?

[RachelGrey]

Why is it harder for dc than Marvel.post covet 19.DC is changing there game out.So Future state is about changing and paving the way for new heroes to take up the mantel. I guess we will see how it goes. Future state is like changing of the Gard.I wonder if the readers will like the new changing way

DC allowed themselves to be driven down by maintaining the old boys club so long. It stifled creativity and the line existed in a bunch of little fiefdoms that wouldn't talk or coordinate with each other. Marvel seems to be a bit better at hiring a more dynamic group of editors, writers, and artists. I will admit though there are a few "old boys club" writers and editors at Marvel and some of their books are stagnating because of it. Fantastic Four right now is awful.

I think Marvel is willing to take more character risks than DC and try different characters out. Like trying to revitalize the X-line by bringing in a few sort of ex-villains here and there whose motives we don't entirely know. But holy Marvel is really giving female characters a chance to shine which is actually pretty great. It's funny how the only book at Marvel with a limited number of female characters is Avengers, and all the other team books at Marvel are pretty much 50/50 for men and women.

[kf26]

DC allowed themselves to be driven down by maintaining the old boys club so long. It stifled creativity and the line existed in a bunch of little fiefdoms that wouldn't talk or coordinate with each other. Marvel seems to be a bit better at hiring a more dynamic group of editors, writers, and artists. I will admit though there are a few "old boys club" writers and editors at Marvel and some of their books are stagnating because of it. Fantastic Four right now is awful.

I think Marvel is willing to take more character risks than DC and try different characters out. Like trying to revitalize the X-line by bringing in a few sort of ex-villains here and there whose motives we don't entirely know. But holy Marvel is really giving female characters a chance to shine which is actually pretty great. It's funny how the only book at Marvel with a limited number of female characters is Avengers, and all the other team books at Marvel are pretty much 50/50 for men and women.

You mean just like DC is doing now? go back to the Marvel boards and hype your xbooks there.

[Aahz]

DC allowed themselves to be driven down by maintaining the old boys club so long. It stifled creativity and the line existed in a bunch of little fiefdoms that wouldn't talk or coordinate with each other. Marvel seems to be a bit better at hiring a more dynamic group of editors, writers, and artists. I will admit though there are a few "old boys club" writers and editors at Marvel and some of their books are stagnating because of it. Fantastic Four right now is awful.

I think Marvel is willing to take more character risks than DC and try different characters out. Like trying to revitalize the X-line by bringing in a few sort of ex-villains here and there whose motives we don't entirely know. But holy Marvel is really giving female characters a chance to shine which is actually pretty great. It's funny how the only book at Marvel with a limited number of female characters is Avengers, and all the other team books at Marvel are pretty much 50/50 for men and women.

Marvel also relies mostly on their classic characters when it comes to sales numbers.

Both companies had rarely a lasting success with new characters.

[The Cheat]

tl;dr, yes, they're struggling to sell comics. Just like every other non-manga publisher.