I'm not sure I get the criticism that it's not like comic. Up until recently, the Joker didn't have a definitive back story, so what is it that the movie was not being faithful to? Did people want to see him use more poison gas or something?
Here is the difference, I don't dislike Joker because it is Scorsese lite. I didn't sit there and say "how dare they steal from Scorsese!" It was more the obvious Scorsese pastiche hampered me from liking it. It got in the way of me liking it when I kept seeing the attempts to make it look like a Scorsese film. I hope I explained the difference.
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It's not an argument about comic book movie purity. It's that I, and others feel that the comic book aspects of this movie were thrown on to get a bigger audience. This movie is more a sequel to King of Comedy than anything in The Batman comics. As I said earlier, It could have been called The Clown and all the Gotham elements removed and it would not have changed anything about the character or the story. That is why.
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It’s more that I found it a an uninteresting Taxi Driver riff than that it was doing a Taxi Driver riff.
Then again Joker in the comics has never been an interesting character so trying to make a good movie about such a fundamentally boring character when they remove most of the things that make him at least tolerable or entertaining was always a tall order.
Most of the criticism I saw of it was from movie snobs who complained it was too much like a Scorcesee movie. I saw it more as an homage. But the 8 year old Bruce was the most problematic. If they were going to put Batman in it at all, he should have been mentioned in passing as a vigilante the police are looking for or something. Having a 30 year old Batman beating up on a 60-70 year old Joker is just unnerving. Thomas Wayne just came off as an asshole. This recent trend of re-writing his father as a dick (they did it in Batman Damned as well) is kind of a bad take.
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That is unfair. It wasn't an affront that it was too much trying to be a Scorsese movie, it just got in the way of me liking the movie, the ever present thought in my mind "he is doing Scorsese" was an impediment. I am not saying it had to bother everyone, and it's fine you liked it. But please don't insult us who found it bothersome.
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It's called having an opinion. I have mine and you have yours, it's clear we don't agree what with you calling me an "asshole fanboy" in your reply to me. So I really don't know what you expect out of replying to me other than an argument. One that will go no where because we both already made up our minds about this and you already seemed to have made your mind up about me and my opinion. This was a thread about opinions. I gave mine, you disagree cool that's all that needed to be said. The personal attack stuff wasn't needed at all. Nor the appeal to authority using the Neil quote.
I was actually referring to professional movie critics who think that comic books movies should "stay in their own lane". Like I said, I saw it more as an homage to Scorcesee. I think the Scorcesee references were deliberate. Whether or not they were distracting is entirely dependent on whether or not that's what you think it should be. The idea of a young Batman beating up on a geriatric Joker and the portrayal of Thomas Wayne bothered me more.
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It was a good film, a decent Taxi Driver for youngsters and used Joker's name as a hook to attract more people in theaters. Because it was something different from the usual comic book movie formula, people overpraised it, to the point that it became annoying.
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That has always kind of been an element to the Batman mythos though, like the fact that the Waynes are rich and they are killed by a crime induced by poverty. The Nolan films tried to address this by making the Waynes into 'good' billionaires and, just as a sort of real world reference, rich people often justify their wealth through their philanthropy. If we as a society are increasingly becoming aware that billionaires are a corrupting influence, shouldn't this be reflected in our media?
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